The Chosen Ones
Off-Topic => Hell => Topic started by: Aeroblyctos on November 20, 2011, 03:19:57 am
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Hello members of this community!
Lately we have had a little fight in the forums and I would like to tell you few things. I remind that we're a small community and that's why especially every member is important part of this community. We should respect each other.
Even if we're here to have fun that doesn't mean we can spam everywhere in the forums random things. I'm easy-going guy but I have my own limits too. I think important topics like bug masterthread is a place only for bugs. However of course you can go there and help people if they're asking for help.
Use the off-topic section for random talk but elsewhere relate your discussion at least somehow about the campaign.
Now about myself I'm sorry that I didn't see a little fight here last few days. I've been busy with school and Skyrim. I haven't paid much attention to the forums and I haven't been doing the campaign much. However that doesn't mean the end has come. After I have finished Skyrim I go back to the daily rutines doing the campaign and checking the forums few times per day. The campaign will be finished, no matter what.
Now that I've said what I had in my mind listen some good music and let the tranquility enter your heart.
Yoshida Brothers - Frontier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qVOc5JG7JM#ws)
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Hello,
The first three chapters are completely filled of PR (Public Relations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations)).
Is it that there's only half the truth to keep this fight confidental, or are you just trying to be way too friendly? :p
This is the art of storytelling concluded to one song:
Nightwish - Storytime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nK6fc_D98E#ws)
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So Aero's solution to our fight is the easy "stfu".Man I'm dissapointed.
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Hello,
So Aero's solution to our fight is the easy "stfu".Man I'm dissapointed.
It's exactly PR's purpose - Convince the clients that it's not the company's fault, to maintain the reputation.
Of course, the clients know the truth, but the company doesn't give up trying - Honesty is a dying attribute these days.
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Eh, let's see what you have done, Blackdoom and DD Canada...
1. Derail the topic from being a source of information for the questionnaires to a personal discussion without any relevance to the topic itself.
2. When Skasian deleted these posts, you felt butthurt, 'cause you spent some 'precious' minutes of your life to write them. Lemme analyse DD Canada's posts...
He's been deleting both (Black's and mine) of our posts, telling us that it's off-topic and that we should take it to the off-topic section.
A little off-topic is fine, but derailing like that is just ridiculous.
I know, that this would be replied "just start the discussion over in there, or copy-paste your posts". Pardon me, but that's not gonna happen. Should we do that, it would just support current and future moderators to such giving up -methods.
^Stubbornly refusing to take their off-topic discussion to somewhere else, for the Greater Good.
Seriously, we spent some important minutes of our lives to write those replies, just to get them deleted due to rejection of a moderator. Why couldn't they be just edited to remove wrong content? Why couldn't they've been moved by those who have the control?
^Insisting that their spam posts don't deserve deletion, since they spent some 'precious' minutes of their lives to write them. Such an original complaint - I've never seen someone on any other forum did this.
Wether or not we went off-topic, you could've moved our posts, but you didn't. Like come on, we didn't spam, we didn't necro, cross-post or anything like that - Off-topic is by far one of the least mistakes one is able to do.
But it is not off-topic anymore. It's become SPAM.
And what's with Chimto to bring him to this? Moderators are generally opinionless, aka if there's an argue, they shouldn't side with either person / group. So if Chimto was the only person you saw to get annoyed of our chat, doesn't that make it 2v1? This is outstanding, soon there'll probably be more public votes that are ignored completely.
No. Skasian is not simply 'siding' with me. He's doing his housekeeping job.
the easy way, giving up: Deletion.
*standard
I hope that explained enough.
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Hello,
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2) Replace 'butthurt' with 'disappointed' and we're good to go.
A little off-topic is fine, but derailing like that is just ridiculous.
True, we can't control ourselves when the other person provokes to post off-topic, but why couldn't those posts be moved? Just why, why?
^Stubbornly refusing to take their off-topic discussion to somewhere else, for the Greater Good.
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^Insisting that their spam posts don't deserve deletion, since they spent some 'precious' minutes of their lives to write them. Such an original complaint - I've never seen someone on any other forum did this.
Many people don't have the guts to tell their honest opinions, so that might be the reason for why you'vent seen this kind of protest before.
How were our posts spam? Off-topic for sure, but we didn't spam in our posts (for example smileys) neither did we doublepost / triplepost or so forth. Explain me.
But it is not off-topic anymore. It's become SPAM.
^One quote above.
No. Skasian is not simply 'siding' with me. He's doing his housekeeping job.
I wish you a merry PR Christmas.
*standard
Right, standard deletion - Why couldn't he move those posts?
I hope that explained enough.
No - I would have to get the rights to delete all of your 150 off-topic posts so that you would understand why, if you value those couple of hours of your life.
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True, we can't control ourselves when the other person provokes to post off-topic, but why couldn't those posts be moved? Just why, why?
How do you propose moving these posts to the PMs? I can't see any other place for them besides PMs.
I wish you a merry PR Christmas.
Explained above.
How were our posts spam? Off-topic for sure, but we didn't spam in our posts (for example smileys) neither did we doublepost / triplepost or so forth. Explain me.
Spam can mean all sorts of things. Which does include large chunks of irrelevant texts.
Right, standard deletion - Why couldn't he move those posts?
Said above.
No - I would have to get the rights to delete all of your 150 off-topic posts so that you would understand why, if you value those couple of hours of your life.
what is this i dont even
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Hello,
How do you propose moving these posts to the PMs? I can't see any other place for them besides PMs.
How about off-topic (http://www.tcocampaign.com/index.php?board=20.0) -section? Let me ask you something; Are you active much on Hive? Based on this I would say you are not.
Explained above.
You didn't explain anything above about the siding issue, speaking of PR.
Spam can mean all sorts of things. Which does include large chunks of irrelevant texts.
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what is this i dont even
...understand? Well tell you what, if Aero did give me the rights, and I had your permission, I certainly would go and delete all of your 150 off-topic posts, which is more than I have posts in total by the way.
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DD , let him win ,Chimito will never stop spliting on us.Besides , Skasian apologise , so let him win.
The only thing that I'm sad about is that Aero didn't see the truth.Oh well.
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Hello,
Well, one of the most critic problems has already been solved, yes. But because Chimto hopped in, and can't understand our pain, then it'd be the best for both sides to let him feel it.
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So , now that we have decided that , can we please deleate this thread?
I don't want the whole TCO to know our "conflict".
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How about off-topic -section?
No. You have to understand that your discussion is SOLELY with Black (ie it makes little sense to anyone else) and it doesn't relate to anyone else. Continuous posts like that just clog up the forums. When people are looking for new posts, they find something completely irrelevant.
Let me ask you something; Are you active much on Hive? Based on this I would say you are not.
No. I'm too busy with this forum (http://www.kongregate.com/forums).
You didn't explain anything above about the siding issue, speaking of PR.
It's YOUR fault for derailing the thread horribly, and Skasian was just doing the task of keeping the forums clear of spam.
...understand? Well tell you what, if Aero did give me the rights, and I had your permission, I certainly would go and delete all of your 150 off-topic posts, which is more than I have posts in total by the way.
What? What posts?
Well, one of the most critic problems has already been solved, yes. But because Chimto hopped in, and can't understand our pain, then it'd be the best for both sides to let him feel it.
u mad bro?
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I see you answer everything mr.Chim(p)
Answer me this(with obscene language ofc , cuz I'm mad , bro)
Why in the f*ck can't we deleate this mother f*cking thread full of sh*t about our as*hole problem?
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Hello,
u mad bro?
No, I'm disappointed in your pathetic support towards PR.
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DD , I'm not sure , but I guess you are an old friend of Aero.And , ofc , you feel somehow insulted that he didn't trust us , but he trusted the mr.Chim(p) and Skasy , who posted "great" stuff at our site.But , if Aero wants to promote such giving up methodes , then let us follow his will , and give up.
I'm not sure you noticed , but since we had our conflict , the whole site "died".For realy , after we had our conflict , you see only me, you, Skasian , mr.Chim(p), Aero and sometimes doomlord.There are lots of guys that could say something (AdmOrian ,AriLaro,EndlessPain,Hellheaven,WsawW and so on..) but they didn't.
I'm preety sure I know why.It's because Skasian's action , they saw what he did and they were like:
"Sh*t , I'm goana get banned if I post off-topic , better shut up now".So our little conflict may have already turned 5%+ of TCO to a fear state , fear to the highter powers.
About that PR stuff , Aero got it all wrong , he is not that "greedy" kind of guy.He thinks for all @ TCO , the same problem is he got it all wrong.
That beeing said , i strongly sugest this thread be closed.And all the people that saw our fight , forget it , go on without it.Skasian feels sorry , Aero is not that mad , I for one , have no problem with this , and mr.Chim(p) has a proud mouth that will surely shut up soon.
Why do I suggest that this thread has to be closed?Well , ppl that have already seen our conflict , are eighter with us , or without us.And ofc , they're always with the highter powers , so they are without us.And they may think we are some kind of freaks who did something barely legal.I do NOT want to be seen with such eyes , and if I will , I will soon retire from TCO , deleating all my posts and threads(with the modify , I type - instead of the first text , that is posible).
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Hello,
Well, old friends; I'm not able to tell if it was mutual then or if it is now, Kitabatake, for one, at least got lots of his attention back then. :)
I think Aero only trusted Skasian in this matter; Every fight needs participiants, audience and the 3rd persons. Participiants are / were, for sure, me, Black and Skasian. "Audience" was pretty much the rest of TCO, except Chimto, who was willing to hop in because he had the guts, making him a 3rd person.
Now, Skasian has two helpful & user-friendly guides, which are nice, there's no question about it. The only issue was moderatorism. He couldn't move our posts, we couldn't control ourselves. Done. But wait, there's more.
Weekends are pretty double-edged; On one side, you would think that because people get out-of-work, they'd come here (same on other forums), but that's not the case always. It's up to folks' interest that can vary quite much in a certain timeline. So, to make the reason for the "dead site" is our fight, we'd to wait and look at it from a longer timeline.
Aero isn't greedy, right, but if I'm any correct, he used to be more harsh when it came to judging stuff, especially in competitions; Now I feel like it's "please everybody", which in the long run can cause a disastrous disarray.
I don't know about closing the thread - Rather send it to Hell.
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As I mentioned personally to you, I agree I should have moved your posts instead of deleting them. I was unaware at the time that there is a method of moving INDIVIDUAL posts.
The only gripe I have with doing that is, I shouldn't have to constantly do that everytime something pops up. It's really not up to me to move your off-topicness as you should have posted in off-topic yourself. Otherwise there would be a lot of unnecessary work. That said the course of action I should have taken would be to 'Warn' and not 'Delete' so you guys had the chance to move stuff yourself. Unfortunately there is no way for me to recover your posts :(
Peace is good, just want to play the game. Forum fights are pointless, just generate more rage. The internet is full of rage (if years of gaming has taught me anything, it's to learn to ignore all the rage on the internet or you will just **** yourself off).
As for the forums seemily dying you have to understand the major events that have taken place this November.
1. Release of Modern Warfare 3 (which has outsold any single digital entertainment item this year).
2. Release of Battlefield 3 (again another huge title, selling slightly under MW3 but immensely popular across platforms).
3. Release of Skyrim (which Aero has admitted falling victim to and I'm sure anyone who loves warcraft-RPG's would love to play)
There 3 games would easily distract attention from the forums so it can be understandable why it is quiet. All 3 of those games are amazing as well I might add. So give it a bit, when the games' WOW factor dies down we may see more attention again.
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i might not know much happen this few days in the forums (except the argument)
But, couldnt we just take a step back just for the sake of peace ?
come on. we are a community
we should help each other
think positive guys. ;D
hope that helps
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DD , I'm not sure , but I guess you are an old friend of Aero.And , ofc , you feel somehow insulted that he didn't trust us , but he trusted the mr.Chim(p) and Skasy , who posted "great" stuff at our site.But , if Aero wants to promote such giving up methodes , then let us follow his will , and give up.
I'm not sure you noticed , but since we had our conflict , the whole site "died".For realy , after we had our conflict , you see only me, you, Skasian , mr.Chim(p), Aero and sometimes doomlord.There are lots of guys that could say something (AdmOrian ,AriLaro,EndlessPain,Hellheaven,WsawW and so on..) but they didn't.
I'm preety sure I know why.It's because Skasian's action , they saw what he did and they were like:
"Sh*t , I'm goana get banned if I post off-topic , better shut up now".So our little conflict may have already turned 5%+ of TCO to a fear state , fear to the highter powers.
About that PR stuff , Aero got it all wrong , he is not that "greedy" kind of guy.He thinks for all @ TCO , the same problem is he got it all wrong.
That beeing said , i strongly sugest this thread be closed.And all the people that saw our fight , forget it , go on without it.Skasian feels sorry , Aero is not that mad , I for one , have no problem with this , and mr.Chim(p) has a proud mouth that will surely shut up soon.
Why do I suggest that this thread has to be closed?Well , ppl that have already seen our conflict , are eighter with us , or without us.And ofc , they're always with the highter powers , so they are without us.And they may think we are some kind of freaks who did something barely legal.I do NOT want to be seen with such eyes , and if I will , I will soon retire from TCO , deleating all my posts and threads(with the modify , I type - instead of the first text , that is posible).
erm, for me
im not afraid of getting banned
and i will fight or argue for my rights (if stolen,look down,or disagreed)
but i tell.. one thing i learn in life .. that is peace.
i dont like to argue for a small reason or problems
if skasian and chimto said that you both are spamming
why not you and DD just make a tread in the non topic section (or whatever it is called)
im not afraid of them. thats for sure and i dont care if Aero side who
but i can tell you.. i believe Aero is siding with peace and that is the correct thing to do as his the leader and the creator of this campaign.
PS im not siding with both of you all either .i just dont want to watch my fellow community members arguing.
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Hello,
It's hard to think positively when the fight is still on - Had Chimto not come along, it'd have been over a couple of days ago.
As weird as it sounds, though, I've been thinking of inventing titles for all of the participiants, perhaps to lessen the degree of seriousness.
ADD: WsawW, even if you weren't siding with either group, creating a new one, "peacemakers", is just causing things to get worse: Chimto & Skasian are probably neutral with you (or friendly), but at least I, if not Black too, am going to fight against you as well, because your solution would be to give up hope on the Staff (Aero + other moderators).
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than answer me..
the arguments you guys are having
is it nice for other new members to watch and laugh ?
is it nice for the members like arilaroo,doomlord etc to feel proud of ?
im not calling you to give up hope
im calling to back away.
arguments like this can never end if one side never tries to back away and accept it..
continue this fight is like a never ending war.
their the elders in this community and skasian did apologise. case closed
is done already
chimto hops in.So what ?
does it even matter ?. he is just telling you his side of opinions and disagreements. Just like you said. let him be.
But one thing i can tell you.. i do admire you and black to stand up for yourself. i really do. and i believe others too.. but i wont feel proud of if my own fellow community members starts to argue
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Hello,
No, it's not nice that others are able to see our fighting, but unevitable as it was, Aero brought it more into public, supported by Chimto. It was meant to be a "as private as possible" fight, but of course it couldn't be kept as one.
And now, it can't be even sent to the Hell section, for unknown reasons.
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that i agree with you
well.. is good though.
this will remind us all the first TCO argument
hope it wont be repeated again right ?
think positive..
i remember the day when i posted my opinion
you said it was a piece of crap
i felt hurt and yet i don't want to argue with you or call you to show some respect
i think positively cause you are better then me so i take as a disagreement not an insult
so the fact im trying to say is
let Chimto be.. we all have a our own suggestions,agreements,right and etc
so i hope this argument does not continue
ok ?
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Hello,
It's the honesty that matters - If you'd have something very negative to say, say it; Thinking positively in that case is denying the reality.
Mm... And what was the opinion I "crappified"? I'm curios to recall.
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so tell me..
after you and black tell out
do you feel better ?
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Hello,
Come again; "tell out"? What do you mean?
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Guys I'm sorry we caused so much problems:|.WsawW , I could be wrong aboud the dead site , but I don't think I am.Now you entered the site for in order to bring "peace".That is what we fight for buddy , we want to restore the peacefull atmosphree of our site.
In fact I must say this:Our "war" kinda was ended until mr.Chim(p) replied at DD's answers.So let it be , and please , please please , deleate this post.If you move it to hell you'l only make things worst , because it will belong to divine judgement and ppl always see stuff inside divine judgement.
is it nice for other new members to watch and laugh ?
No , that's what I am afraid the most.When ppl laught at my stuff.
is it nice for the members like arilaroo,doomlord etc to feel proud of ?
Proud of what?That they are not "veterans" but they didn't entered in truble?If so , it's not nice eighter , making ppl be proud of such a random thing would soon turn that ppl into lower persons
so i hope this argument does not continue
ok ?
They will stop soon.
after you and black tell out
do you feel better ?
I think he means"After we told Aero about our problem with Skasian".
And yes, we felt better for a moment.I can remember my private discussion with DD when we both wanted Skasian to be demoted(yeah we were angry as hell).I can also remember while Skasian felt sorry , and told me the way he wached the situtation.Now I just want this conflict to stop.
It was the first "serious"problem on TCO , let's hope we would not hav another one soon.
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well i hope this is the end of the argument.. ;D
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oh, cmon people. it's just a game. and you quarrel because of it. take it easier. never understood these showdowns on the forums. you never even seen each other, but already polemic, and polemic about the little things. like a little childs.
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oh, cmon people. it's just a game. and you quarrel because of it. take it easier. never understood these showdowns on the forums. you never even seen each other, but already polemic, and polemic about the little things. like a little childs.
ok..... that was harsh.. but at least you got the point.. BUT (haha i said but twice) is not because of game.. is because of ranks,right and standard ;D.. anyway arilaroo meant was don't quarrel because of a small matter.. don't be childish.. so that was a good point in it [-)
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Hello,
Yeah, it has nothing to do with TCO itself, which means that it's not "basic complaining about a game", so what is left?
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Shall this thread be closed then?
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close it skasian the moderator that can be google or wiki moderator too ;D
anyway hope this reminds us of our little mistake [-)
Oh yeah.. why aero wanted to play skyrim so badly until he needs to finish the game then he will continue the campaign.. i cant wait anymore :'(
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Hello,
This post has been taken back to the Den by author.
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Actually I love drama in forums but this is a bit different thing when I'm the leader(need to keep things controlled). Okay, so I won't start to quote anyone or this will take too long.
Moderator's job is to keep things clean and not to move some off-topic posts to somewhere else. Skavian, next time just give a warning and if this discussion continues then it's fine to start deleting posts. Don't start deleting posts suddenly, always warn first.
So we got now two choices:
- First is that we forget the whole thing, we move on and I can move this thread to Hell.
- Or we'll continue talking here until everything is fine and no more grudges.
Which one you prefer?
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Hello,
I still vote for throwing this thread to Hell, seeing as things could've been solved, but with outsiders constantly joining the squad, it's doomed to even try to get a solution.
Worst of all, although Ari is one who really is neutral, others who claim the same are not neutrals. :(
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Hello,
I still vote for throwing this thread to Hell, seeing as things could've been solved, but with outsiders constantly joining the squad, it's doomed to even try to get a solution.
Worst of all, although Ari is one who really is neutral, others who claim the same are not neutrals. :(
Im not neutral ?
so im also a person who budge in and side with either you or Chimto ?
wow.. until now you still don't get it..
Thats why i never like to have conversation especially this kind.. Because all i get is misunderstanding.. Very well..Do as you wish then ... i won't continue posting on this tread since im not neutral..
im not helping anybody either.. im just giving troubles.. I sincerely apologise to those who i ACCIDENTALLY provoke ..
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Hello,
I still vote for throwing this thread to Hell, seeing as things could've been solved, but with outsiders constantly joining the squad, it's doomed to even try to get a solution.
Worst of all, although Ari is one who really is neutral, others who claim the same are not neutrals. :(
Im not neutral ?
so im also a person who budge in and side with either you or Chimto ?
wow.. until now you still don't get it..
Thats why i never like to have conversation especially this kind.. Because all i get is misunderstanding.. Very well..Do as you wish then ... i won't continue posting on this tread since im not neutral..
im not helping anybody either.. im just giving troubles.. I sincerely apologise to those who i ACCIDENTALLY provoke ..
I told you won't dare.Not it the end at least.
THIS IS the reason of the dead site!
It's all because of this.
Send this to hell , it's pointless to continue.
I apologise to Cimito and Skasian.Aero , you hav my word this is my last post on this thread , from now on , I will be a part of the "dead site".
As most of you can see I and DD started to promote the Off-Topic.If we'l get restricted from there as well , I would quit and shut up.
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Do whatever you want. I'm still going to continue this project and I'm not angry to anyone. The next minor version will come within one week and Christmas we'll be enjoying chapter 8.
Thread moved to Hell.