The Chosen Ones
General Information => News => Topic started by: Aeroblyctos on June 05, 2013, 01:07:48 pm
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Hey,
I would like to open this little chest at the front of me and tell the future plans of Oelivert. Right now most of the free time goes to writing a book that is based on Oelivert. I do book because it is at the moment the only way world of Oelivert survives. I've spend 1/5 of my life time already creating this massive story and with the campaign I don't earn anything. I have to start earn or I'm done for. The campaign moves slowly but surely forward. However, only main cinematics of chapter 10 will be done including the spectacular epilogue.
What about rest of the campaign? What about remake of chapter 3? Chapter 2 remake? All the interludes? Chapter 10 Elite Boss? Chapter 10 Epic Boss? Optional quests of chapter 10 and all other extra optional quests all over the campaign? We've been talking to add so many things. I even planned another custom campaign almost entirely about Uummut and his story. What about this too?
Enough years has passed and my motivation has been dying for a long time - and I've grown up. It is finally time that I start to earn from the things I've done for you. I don't ask much - just enough that I can buy food and continue this massive and thrilling story. Maybe someday this story will be very known - but there is much to do and you must help me.
I will create a custom panel where you see what can be still done for the campaign. Also there can be things you can request me to do. To these section you can donate. When enough is donated to a section, that thing will be done.
What is in your mind right now? Am I over my head?
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It sounds like your players' financial status will affect their experience with TCO.
If you really, really intend to do something like this, it'll probably raise some alert among the players...
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Great news about Uummut storyline.
About other information - does it mean that you'll for example upload a new version only after some fixed amount would be donated? Dunno if it would be effective, suppose that this forum is not so highly visited and not enough users are really active here to donate something sufficient. I think that for the first the attendance should be increased - maybe through some relocation from hiveworkshop - as far as it is about 5000 comments under the campaign there.
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Yep, yep. But at least I give a chance to work more on this campaign and I don't simply fade away. If this doesn't work then what is left is the book. And if that doesn't work, then I'm pretty much done for and I will have to throw my dream to a bin - but that's life, isn't it?
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At least let me finish my questionnaire before any possible trashdown. Else I'll drive 3 hours to your apartment and bash you with my dead achievement.
Oh, yeah, /sarcasm.
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Actually it wasn't Uummut story - I have completely different story for him that I've already written.
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As much as I hate to admit it, it is your wrong choice from the beginning to do such a huge project alone.
Back to the topic at hand, I cannot donate and so is 90% of other members. Therefore if you are to convert this into pay-to-play, I am out.
I also want to relinquish my current forum position and withdraw from the team (like that even existed in the first place). I felt that you treated my JASS code with such disgusting contempt and dumped Mystic Storm's bugs on me (based on your comments around Hive) despite the fact that it wasn't my fault the code bugs as proven to you time and time again. For your information, it works flawlessly on Hive. Anyway I was really offended by how you skipped an explanation and just go with "The code sucks. It is not mine". Our bickering has reached the breaking point and that is it.
This is pretty much the last straw for me if I have to pay $$$ to have a new thing that can bug/cause other stuffs to bug. Quality must go with money. I hope you understand that.
I praise your determination as you have always stood up after falling down. Hope your dream succeeds. Peace out.
Doomlord
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At least let me finish my questionnaire before any possible trashdown. Else I'll drive 3 hours to your apartment and bash you with my dead achievement.
Oh, yeah, /sarcasm.
Oh yeah, I'd like to watch this ;D.
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Ahem,
Aero, I personally think that you SHOULD get money for what you do.
That said...
Back to the topic at hand, I cannot donate and so is 90% of other members. Therefore if you are to convert this into pay-to-play, I am out.
"I am out", perhaps a little to much(for me at least) to say. I would be totally out only if for some reason I had NO time at all(not busy 99% of the time, but 100%) for a really long time(years and such), or if I suddenly got fed up with the forum ::) (which probably won't happen soon). Oh well, but I still won't donate to you until I start getting MY money, not my parents', and this will take a little longer to happen :P.
Don't expect me to donate, but your idea...I like it. Well, I like and hate it ::).
Why? Well...
1. I just can't donate, so it'll bad for me. (HATE)
2. I have a feeling that it's more effective than just ask for donate. (LIKE)
Do you know MMOs? And Ragnarok? Well, there are a lot of private servers(a.k.a pirate servers :P), whose owners get money from donations only. How? Firstly, they don't own anything to Gravity, Ragnarok maker(well, they're illegal, of course...). Then, when you donate, you get a lot of bonus things in game, like, OP items, rare items(good, but not OP) and lots of money without effort. Well, not saying that they live only with this :P, but they get money.
Your idea looks fairly similar to it. You have the campaign. Do want more? Pay for it!
I won't have more since I can't pay :'(. I also never donate to these servers if I start playing one, BUT there are people who pay. OF COURSE, there are also the "donate haters", that can't pay and get angry for not getting everything you can in the game because of it. Btw, I'm one of these people, but I'm realistic. I hate "donate", but I accept it, I think it's a good idea.
So, well, you decide what you do. I won't be against it, just don't expect me to donate anytime soon (just saying it again to make sure [-)).
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Altough i'm quite an outsider of this forum i wanted to say mine.
I really understand your will to get something out of a hours-taking years-long job. I myself spent alot of time ( well, not recently, but i did ) on projects like a personal created table Rpg, had to work for days ( some months also ) to set it over and all i got back was the fun to play it with some willing friends. I had some dream to make it perfect one day and famous. Ofcourse, after a while, for obvious problems, i dumped it all. ( This happened with about each of my projects ). ... Point is, i never dreamed about making others pay a cent more than to photocopy the papers. This is because it was a volunteer job and it couldn't really be any different, none asked me to, i started it because i liked it. The fact is, you can't really expect people who play this randomly when seeking some wc3 fun to pay for it. Of course you can try - but how much you think you are getting out of it ? it's not some online mmorpg which can be played for years without ending, everyone, even the greatest fan, will play it at the best once in a while.
What i think is that you shouldn't plan such a thing and keep up with free donations. I myself am jobless and just studying, i take many of your fans are quite the same. TCO isn't enough of the life of anyone to make people think to pay. It's fun, but not the kind of fun you pay for - i played alot of "better" games ( i.e. Planescape, BG2 like ) for free - why should i be willing to pay for this ? there you can go back to what i was saying before.
This doesn't mean you can't get nothing out of this. Just not this way - it would not be right to your fans i think. If you really wanted to get money for an rpg, then go to a gaming industry, talk about your project, make the story a real videogame. Besides, i think that if you adapt some parts of the game, you may have your chances. Make something real of it, be it a book or a stand-alone rpg. Till then, i don't think you can't get anything out of it. Like it is now, altough on wc3 we can consider it already a stand-alone in our experience.... it's still only a game concept, a sort of simulation. It will never be "real" inside wc3. No doubt people will like it and think "what a job!" but in their minds it will just be a wc3 spin-off. I wish you the best and i hope this very big concept called tco you developed will get somewhere, be it a videogame, a book or else. Just look at Dota: it never got really anywhere, from the economic point of view, till it became such a big deal for a gaming house to notice it and take it to the next level. Before, icefrog worked on it regularly to earn nothing, for years and years. And it had about 3-4 milions players already. No point in confrontating a RPG with a online MOBA now, but i think this should tell you something of how these things go. My 2 cents. Bye :)
P.S: Oh, and by the way, i think your best chances go with the book. I think TCO story and characters are too particular in the rpg scenario. You have a common trait of self-made rpg makers which is to bring a lot of unrelated thoughts inside the game. It does make the game more interesting, but i think it gives a very "easter egg feeling" which, brought to a maximum, tends to make the storytelling heavier than expected and less linear. That is more suitable for a book than a videogame ( altough it can of course be kept in smaller sizes ). I hope if you read this WoT to have given you some insights. Again, bye
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The basic thing is that I'm already too tired of doing the campaign. I've promised to finish the campaign and that is to finish the main story line. Other things come - if they come.
The campaign has been and always will be free to play. It's just that if you guys want to see more content in the future - I'm willing to do more but it's not anymore fun and therefore I want something as a reward.
I made this move because I'm not myself anymore interested to even continue the campaign. It is too big job for me, but I will at least finish the main story line. I'm pretty sure if my book 'success' we'll get here a lot more people and eventually this will go forward. Perhaps not right now.
Do you know MMOs? And Ragnarok? Well, there are a lot of private servers(a.k.a pirate servers :P), whose owners get money from donations only. How? Firstly, they don't own anything to Gravity, Ragnarok maker(well, they're illegal, of course...). Then, when you donate, you get a lot of bonus things in game, like, OP items, rare items(good, but not OP) and lots of money without effort. Well, not saying that they live only with this :P, but they get money.
Your idea looks fairly similar to it. You have the campaign. Do want more? Pay for it!
Definitely not. This is like single-player DLC but you guys pay it together and once paid it will be there forever - for everyone. I would say this is a better deal than nowadays DLC system where you buy a piece of the game and then it's yours - but only yours.
I don't expect people just come here and give me money just like that. I expect we go slowly forward and when one thing has enough money then I create it. Maybe eventually people start to come here and say "Hey Aero I liked the story but it was left somewhat undone - I've enjoyed the game over the years and if I now give you few hundred dollars can you finish what happened to the Death Knights?".
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Ah, that's true, I didn't think about. Well, in that case your project will fall down, because most people will only: "Hum...if I wait a little, perhaps someone will donate and I'll can play the game with the new things! Besides, I won't need to pay anything at all! I'm such a genius."
Oh well, another thing that I forgot to talk about is that, even if the forum is not that active, you have quite some fans. The problem is that most don't want to post anything or don't even want to register a account. We don't know, but perhaps there are some people who would actually pay if you really make this system. Well, that's just a guess.
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"Hum...if I wait a little, perhaps someone will donate and I'll can play the game with the new things! Besides, I won't need to pay anything at all! I'm such a genius."
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As much as I hate to admit it, it is your wrong choice from the beginning to do such a huge project alone.
Back to the topic at hand, I cannot donate and so is 90% of other members. Therefore if you are to convert this into pay-to-play, I am out.
I also want to relinquish my current forum position and withdraw from the team (like that even existed in the first place). I felt that you treated my JASS code with such disgusting contempt and dumped Mystic Storm's bugs on me (based on your comments around Hive) despite the fact that it wasn't my fault the code bugs as proven to you time and time again. For your information, it works flawlessly on Hive. Anyway I was really offended by how you skipped an explanation and just go with "The code sucks. It is not mine". Our bickering has reached the breaking point and that is it.
This is pretty much the last straw for me if I have to pay $$$ to have a new thing that can bug/cause other stuffs to bug. Quality must go with money. I hope you understand that.
I praise your determination as you have always stood up after falling down. Hope your dream succeeds. Peace out.
Doomlord
I wish that you are not so serious about it, man. I've started the campaign with your walkthrough and item-list, it made me really interesting to re-go the campaign with full-set of possible items and quests. After it I've done it in every possible version posted.
Man, you are a forum-guru and for sure you are a valuable person for this site.
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Man, you are a forum-guru and for sure you are a valuable person for this site.
I agree DoomLord. I've been in the shadows, haven't posted much, yet, I recognize your tribute to this campaign.
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"Hum...if I wait a little, perhaps someone will donate and I'll can play the game with the new things! Besides, I won't need to pay anything at all! I'm such a genius."
:P?
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There maybe a guy, a hero, who will make such a donation. Then I will clear some of my time for the campaign and create the thing(s) he wanted. I don't expect donations to come so quickly - most likely after half a year. We'll see. we'll see. But about that time I've already finished the book and if it succeed I will have zero time for the campaign most likely and I will to a promote campaign promoting the book. Second book I will start after the first immediately, I've already been planning for it too.
As you guys have seen, yesterday I created two minor version. I will keep on working on the campaign nevertheless until it is finished. Little by little we go closer and closer to the end.
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"Hum...if I wait a little, perhaps someone will donate and I'll can play the game with the new things! Besides, I won't need to pay anything at all! I'm such a genius."
:P?
If you quote someone's post and don't type anything there by yourself, that means you either were about to say the same thing/would say the same thing.
Some forums use this more than others, but it's good to know anyways.
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Hello Aero,
I think your quality of work deserves some recognition.
If you finish chapter 10 content (Boss fights, items) and do it flawlessly I am willing to pay for that - but of course we have to agree about the price.
I think it would be better if we take this discussion to the PM - reply if you are interrested.
manstein
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the main problem with this campaign is a general problem with our society. money. if everyone who loves this campaign would pay only 5 or 10 bucks, aero would allready have WAAAAAAY enough to continue this campaign for half a year. donate 20 bucks a year and he will easily be able to make it perfect and finish his books and we buy them too. you "dont have money" ? you get your money from your parents? dude im **** poor. i have a job where i earn **** (im a translator by the way, i translate english science fiction novels into german, so if you need a translation for your book aero, come at me, lol) and i still donated 10 euro. even if you get like 50 bucks poketmoney monthly from your parents, you can still easily give away 10% which would be 5 bucks per month.
"why would i do that?"
why wouldnt you? is it such a big deal for you? i mean ofcourse nobody can expect from you to give away your money, but think about it: aero spent thousands of hours of time to bring us fun. how many hours did you play TCO? i played it probably about... alot. 50++ hours i guess.
now imagine aero would be your neighbour or live in your town and he'd ask you: "Hey, i need to move house, can you help me? it'll only take one hour", would you do it? would you do something for one hour to help him? ofcourse you would. now that you dont live in his town and he doesnt need to move house, you cant help him like that, but he needs a small portion of your time for another favor. money.
if you get a job, depending on where you live, you can earn about 7-20 US dollars an hour even if you are a student. why dont you get a small weekend job for only one weekend, everyone can do that, and donate the money you earn there to aero? isnt his work worth at least a few hours of your time? a week has 168 hours, if everyone donates 2 of them only once, aero is paid in full.
you dont want to work because you are a kid? or lazy? donate your poketmoney instead of buying sweets or some new ****-game on steam this month. how **** hard is it.
i dont write this for aero, i write this for myself because i hate this stupid attitude of people clinging so much to their money. i know its not your individual fault but a serious issue of our society and when i see some hobo beggar in the streets i rarely give them money because i know they will probably just spend it on drugs and i dont give a **** about them, shame on me. but with aero, i know hes a good man and hes doing good not only for himself and not only for me but for all of us.
i myself wouldnt have donated anything, i guess, if aero hadnt asked for it because, like most people, also shame on me here, if somethings free, i take it for free. also some things are not free and i still take them for free like movies and music and many games from online streaming services because i feel right doing it and also because i simply can.
on the other hand, i spend alot of money for **** **** nobody ever needs, for example this piece of **** movie "total recall". anyone saw that in 3D? man i spent like 13 bucks for this trash and it only got me 2 hours of mediocre semi-joy. **** this ****, i need to man up and so do all of you.
let me lead with a good example: starting next month (july), i will spend my money on one less useless thing i surely dont need and instead give it to you. 10 bucks every month until you earn something yourself. as long as it takes.
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^ Aha, someone here DOES know Steam, too! :D When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in lines before me...
So... Aero is a charity now? In my opinion, people should be donating not because they want Aero to have an easier time, but because they really think the campaign is worth a bit of money like some purchased game. At the end of the day, it's up to the people where they want their money to be spent on, though.
It just tends to be that custom Warcraft 3 maps/campaigns haven't really became businesses or projects that pay even. Why? Well... DLCs are often much, much smaller than the original game itself.
I agree however, that we're spending more and more of our money to some useless stuff like going to the movies (nowadays I rarely, if ever, go there anymore though). But what needs to be noted as of right now, is the current status of economy; if I'm not mistaken, we've just been VERY SLOWLY started to recover from an economic depression (and who knows, it might crash hard very soon again). So if anything, people want concrete products/services for their money more than simply giving it away without receiving anything extra in return.
And then of course, yeah, you might have a job now that leaves you with decent amount of extra money to spend after taxes, living costs etc, but what if you suddenly got fired because your company wants to save money? 10 bucks a month doesn't sound a lot, but it all adds up over time.
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Yeah, people should give the money they think the campaign value...oh well...
even if you get like 50 bucks poketmoney monthly from your parents, you can still easily give away 10% which would be 5 bucks per month.
50 bucks? Ha!
Well, my main problem isn't little money. The fact is: My money isn't mine. I'm not talking about the fact that it was my parents that gave me, but that my father can still control the money, even if it's mine. Things like shopping, going to the movies or even videogames are allowed (IF i don't spend a lot), but, to donate to "some random guy that is making a game with another game. Btw, he lives in a foreigner country.". Tried something similar before, the difference would it be it was a guy here in Brazil....and he almost destroyed my ears with lectures.
"So Shino, what is your father's point of view?" Don't ask me, perhaps "Start valluing money" or something.
Start getting my own money: That would be a different thing. I can't start making money until college.
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Something is not right Aero... Somehow I feel your decision this time is... not right...
From my point of view.. if you do something because you love it then the result will be much different than do something to survive. This decision, even if it's success, it will affects you in one or another way, more or less. See? Some guys lose their faith and respect to you, some start arguing with each other...
There're thousands of reasons for people to donate and millions of reasons to not donate, and since they all are just points of view, no one can tell if they're right or wrong, they're not statements. However, since you made people think and couldn't agree with them on some problems, sure there will be cracks in your relationships... Can you put all your mind and heart to this like before, after all these things?
If you're overflowed with yourself.. you can choose what's more important to do... Don't force yourself to do all... in this way.
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I just need enough money to continue my dream to finish this the campaign and continue the story in the coming books. What I wish is to put all my efforts to this thing. I've still so much to give and there's no really an end. The story goes forward and there are yet so many things to come out. So many powerful characters, so many powerful dragons and yet so many thrilling twists.
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So many powerful characters, so many powerful dragons ...
And still TCO doesn't sell... HMM!
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What do you mean sell?
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Not enough donates to even break even.
Maybe you should enable microtransactions.
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Aero has no moar moneeh
So TCO has no moar moneeh...
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Just wait, Aero. I promise you that in 5 years I'll donate something :D.
Not enough donates to even break even.
Maybe you should enable microtransactions.
Care to explain, please :)?
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Just wait, Aero. I promise you that in 5 years I'll donate something :D.
A long-term investment. :p
Not enough donates to even break even.
Maybe you should enable microtransactions.
Care to explain, please :)?
Aero selling booster packs or the like to allow paying players gain advantages.
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I've been just writing the book last one month fast as I can. I will finish the main quest line for TCO after the first book is done. My aim is to finish the book within 2 months. I may create a few minor version for the campaign to fix bugs.
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2 months? Isn't that far too optimistic?
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Well, the story is now 99% ready and I've written the basic things(with short sentences) almost 100%. In a few days I will start to write the actual book.
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I decided to give a hand and sent a post into social bookmarks. I hope the popularity will rise in.