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Title: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Pourquoi on September 12, 2012, 06:06:54 am
So Aero and I had a debate about this issue recently.
I said that the made-up words that he uses to name powerful items (Matta, Ziiv, Arvaveizda, Crystool, etc...) do not sound epic in any way, and we can also make unique names from normal English words, but he refuses to believe it.
Compare:
- Matta vs. Armour of Divine Will/Juggernaut Plate/Armour of the Sentinel
- Quijon vs. Dragon Orb/Lifegiver
- Gagga vs. Ring of the Deceiver
- Arvaveizda vs. Golem Shell Armour/Clamshell Plate Armour/Dragon's Aegis
- Ziiv vs. Eye of the Storm
- Chillers vs. Ashen Gloves
- Haamna vs. Crystalline Flame Medallion
- Laijsla vs. Stormchaser Armour
So here we are again, calling upon the judgement of the members to help us.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: hamza_tm on September 12, 2012, 06:14:42 am
Give some examples of unique names from normal English words first so they can be compared
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Doomlord on September 12, 2012, 06:35:49 am
Tbh I don't like the make-up words one bit. They don't make sense and, as Yggy said, make the items lose their epicness.

Therefore I voted for normal English words.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: hamza_tm on September 12, 2012, 07:51:25 am
It really would depend on what names you are thinking of with normal english  words.

I mean Crystool vs MegaUltraEpicStaffofPwn... I vote Crystool in that one :D

Anyway jokes aside made-up as well as original English could be good. Lets have some examples!
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on September 12, 2012, 09:40:40 am
Yea, tell an item name and tell your better version of it.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Pourquoi on September 12, 2012, 09:48:44 am
I put several examples in the OP. Feel free to contribute.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Flecky on September 12, 2012, 09:49:50 am
Another poll with voters revealed... Phew, where's the incognito mode?

It's true that with English names it's always a safer bet, but you can still do it wrong and create another clich?.

I agree though that those example made-up names are just terrifying... However, in the end a succesful made-up name would probably win over an English name, so I vote for the made-up names, assuming the previous. Most of them in the campaign would just need to be re-thought.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Pourquoi on September 12, 2012, 10:07:21 am
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However, in the end a succesful made-up name would probably win an English name, so I vote for the made-up names, assuming the previous.
The main point of this topic however, is to consider if the CURRENT ones in the campaign should be replaced by normal English names. And, looking at the made-up names for items in the campaign, I don't dare say that Aero can invent a successful word for use as an item name.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: hamza_tm on September 12, 2012, 10:42:04 am
Hmm both have advantages I suppose.

With English names you know what the item actually is, what it does. But with made up names just for some select ultimate items, it lets you know that these items are "the shiz". Gives them a sense of epicness and differentiates them immediately from normal English names.

can't decide
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Flecky on September 12, 2012, 12:01:01 pm
The main point of this topic however, is to consider if the CURRENT ones in the campaign should be replaced by normal English names. And, looking at the made-up names for items in the campaign, I don't dare say that Aero can invent a successful word for use as an item name.

Yes.

And if Aero can't invent anything, someone else might.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on September 13, 2012, 12:31:56 pm
Hmm. I think by using both styles is the best.

However, if you think some items does have a bad name come to me.

I always start to laugh when I see that "Gagga" name. It's just so damn epic!

Spoiler (hover to show)


And by the way, those new item names were quicky created. I haven't even added the items to the campaign meaning they're not final.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: hamza_tm on September 13, 2012, 02:40:50 pm
I've decided. Using made up names is IMO better for the ultimate items. You know immediately that they are something special and it gives each one an epicness and unique personality.

And Aero's names are fine, improve them if you like. It doesn't matter what the names are as long as they aren't instantly repulsive. Any name will grow to have an epic connotation after you've used the item in a playthrough. If you experience the works of professional writers, you will find that some of the made-up words used sound utterly strange to you at first. But after you have experienced them a few times it becomes second nature. And then the more they stand out the more they are unique and epic, which is exactly what we want.

After pulling off my Gaomdo ****, the item Haamna is now awesome as fk there is no way I can forget it. Yet at first I thought the name sounded daft.

Something like Armour of Divine Will/Clamshell Plate Armour tends to lack that oomph!
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Pourquoi on September 14, 2012, 12:06:33 am
Or we can actually fit both a made-up word AND some English words in a single item name. Of course, the made-up word must be good enough, or else it would be bad... And most made-up item names do not sound good enough.
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Using made up names is IMO better for the ultimate items.
What about the expensive items then?
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: hamza_tm on September 14, 2012, 04:33:49 am
Good suggestion.

Probably for expensive items only if they are late-game worthy (will be equipped late game about 7 times out of 10 as they are so good) then for those mix the names.

So basically, regular and synthesis items are English, next step up is unique items almost ultimate-worthy, we can mix English and made-up for them, and have only the VERY best ultimate items with completely made-up names to ascertain their ridiculosity.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Pourquoi on September 16, 2012, 06:03:21 am
So we have finalised the names for the new expensive items (which, according to Aero, will be added in the next minor version):
Spoiler (hover to show)
Let us know if you can think of better names.
Also we still need your opinions on these names: Labbela, Arvaveizda, Haamna, Crystool, Chillers, Zandiolo, Elexorien, Exepede, Ziiv and Laijsla.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Doomlord on September 16, 2012, 06:20:35 am
IMO except for Ziiv, Crystool and Chillers, the rest of the mentioned names should be kept. They are all epic ones after all.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on September 16, 2012, 06:33:48 am
Do we really have to change those names too? I like most of those names.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: hamza_tm on September 16, 2012, 08:58:00 am
Tbh I think they are all fine. I don't find any of them immediately repulsive and they are completely unique so there's no reason to change them, in my opinion.

But I can't stand the word Oelivert (like where the heck did that come from) but seeing as we are talking item names here, let's ignore that for now.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Pourquoi on September 16, 2012, 11:51:16 pm
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But I can't stand the word Oelivert (like where the heck did that come from) but seeing as we are talking item names here, let's ignore that for now.
It's also the name of an item that will appear in chapter 9.
But I agree with Doom; Crystool, Chillers and Ziiv (especially Chillers) do not sound right.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on September 19, 2012, 05:14:26 am
Crystool and Chillers aren't that good names I agree.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: SeedinAethyr on March 23, 2013, 04:13:47 pm
But I like the Crystool!
I guess I'm fine with getting rid of the name "Chillers" though.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: CoNteMpT on March 27, 2013, 06:30:38 pm
i think its very important to mix up the names not just to show which items are better or worse (crap gets english names, good stuff gets aero names) but to just give more feeling to them. i mean look, there's this item for galeoth which you can craft from the ice crown. this super magic armor bullshlt thing, forgot its name. you see? its a good item and you always want to use it, but man it just makes you stronger, its not COOL.

that kind of item you want after reading the stats but man, ELEXORIEN 2? holy mother of ****, i clicked on that tharo the first time and even before reading the stats i just saw a rainbow sword called elexorien 2 and i was like oh ****, im so getting this item. im so getting this. best item in the game. and to the day its my favorite item, even though its too weak to really use it.

you know why it is so good? because it stands out and is cool. why does it stand out? because that galeoth-armor has some shitty-ass english name nobody remembers for half a minute. thats why. if every good item had some fancy name, nobody would fancy those fancy names anymore.

mix it up and keep the fancy names to stuff that actually kicks ass. oh yeah, and another thing: if you connect the items to the story a bit, they get even more memorable. like tharo has elexorien 2. thats enough story-connection. by having that interaction between fradz and tharo in chp7 when you have that sword, you bring it to perfection.
and you actually got to see elexorien when you yourself are weak pudding and cant even imagine +200 dmg on an item. that makes you even more eager to have that thing.

so what i mean is, if you give an item a big name, make the players know about the item before they can get it. "do you look for powerful items? i would recommend maragath set, its very powerful". oh shlt, i want that set NOW.

so always think about how you can get something to the players, thats what makes things awsome.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on March 28, 2013, 03:31:04 am
i think its very important to mix up the names not just to show which items are better or worse (crap gets english names, good stuff gets aero names) but to just give more feeling to them. i mean look, there's this item for galeoth which you can craft from the ice crown. this super magic armor bullshlt thing, forgot its name. you see? its a good item and you always want to use it, but man it just makes you stronger, its not COOL.

that kind of item you want after reading the stats but man, ELEXORIEN 2? holy mother of ****, i clicked on that tharo the first time and even before reading the stats i just saw a rainbow sword called elexorien 2 and i was like oh ****, im so getting this item. im so getting this. best item in the game. and to the day its my favorite item, even though its too weak to really use it.

you know why it is so good? because it stands out and is cool. why does it stand out? because that galeoth-armor has some shitty-ass english name nobody remembers for half a minute. thats why. if every good item had some fancy name, nobody would fancy those fancy names anymore.

mix it up and keep the fancy names to stuff that actually kicks ass. oh yeah, and another thing: if you connect the items to the story a bit, they get even more memorable. like tharo has elexorien 2. thats enough story-connection. by having that interaction between fradz and tharo in chp7 when you have that sword, you bring it to perfection.
and you actually got to see elexorien when you yourself are weak pudding and cant even imagine +200 dmg on an item. that makes you even more eager to have that thing.

so what i mean is, if you give an item a big name, make the players know about the item before they can get it. "do you look for powerful items? i would recommend maragath set, its very powerful". oh shlt, i want that set NOW.

so always think about how you can get something to the players, thats what makes things awsome.

That's my boy. That's my **** boy.  [-)
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: liauyuancheng on March 31, 2013, 09:17:02 pm
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But I can't stand the word Oelivert (like where the heck did that come from) but seeing as we are talking item names here, let's ignore that for now.
It's also the name of an item that will appear in chapter 9.
But I agree with Doom; Crystool, Chillers and Ziiv (especially Chillers) do not sound right.

Really? How did I miss the item Olievert in Chapter 9??? But the item list doesnt show the stats that this item gives...

Anyway, I feel that we should just stick to English names for common and uncommon items. Then use a mix of English and invented words for rare and epic items. Then use invented words that sounds cool! for legendary and myth items.
Title: Re: Should we use invented words over English words in item names?
Post by: Pourquoi on April 01, 2013, 06:22:48 am
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Really? How did I miss the item Olievert in Chapter 9??? But the item list doesnt show the stats that this item gives...
****, I forgot to add the stats, but it's in the Lucky Box.