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Title: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on December 23, 2010, 05:20:36 am
Shouts and nearby enemies will attack Phodom and gives lvlx1 armor for 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 23, 2010, 05:57:45 am
It's like Taunt ability in many other games, right?
Compare to items, can u give it more armor or magic resistance?
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Alan_Osl on December 23, 2010, 06:25:00 am
Is it something like the spell that Axe have in Dota? (Berserker Call)
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 23, 2010, 06:50:05 am
That's true haha, it's best if Phodom has Counter helix as well  ;D
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Alan_Osl on December 23, 2010, 06:50:44 am
That's true haha, it's best if Phodom has Counter helix as well  ;D

Then TCO will not be ORIGINAL anymore  :(  :P
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: LucasMapurunga on December 23, 2010, 07:02:49 am
Yes, and give him battle hunger, too !   ;)

A taunt would be good, because it would totally save Fradz ass. For sure I would use it  ;D
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 23, 2010, 07:04:29 am
but put 1 ability point for 1 armor in 10 sec.
This spell never can compare with Aura of fire and Fire Mastery   :-X
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on December 23, 2010, 08:55:11 am
Yea but it's special ability, same as Area Attack, Avatar and Warcry.

When you are at level 1 it gives +1 armor which it isn't that good. But later chapter it really starts to be good(or?). For example at chapter 5 and your Phodom is level 30 it gives 30 armor for 10 seconds.

So, yes or no?
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Alan_Osl on December 23, 2010, 09:31:39 am
Truthfully, I prefer using Area Attack more than this ability.
Well, different people different style.

For me, I prefer offensive rather than defensive.
So yea, NO  :-X
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: EndlessPain on December 23, 2010, 10:02:37 am
Well the point of this spell is more about saving the rest of the party, since is supposed to be the tank, and this ability will surely help him to do his role better.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Alan_Osl on December 23, 2010, 10:23:09 am
Well the point of this spell is more about saving the rest of the party, since is supposed to be the tank, and this ability will surely help him to do his role better.
Hmm, you got the point there  :-X
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: AdmOrian on December 23, 2010, 11:27:55 am
Yes, the armor is not why anyone would pick this spell. It's a taunt, which is very useful now and again. But probably don't toss it in people should already know how to run 1 toon back so the other picks up aggro.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: EndlessPain on December 23, 2010, 12:11:03 pm
Yes, the armor is not why anyone would pick this spell. It's a taunt, which is very useful now and again. But probably don't toss it in people should already know how to run 1 toon back so the other picks up aggro.

There's a problem with that, some areas where you have boss fights are so small, that actually you won't have enough space to do that aggro reset trick, there is where this spell will shine more :D.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: garkhan on December 23, 2010, 02:34:55 pm
I will use it. Only if the ability give more armor in a shorter time. I really like Berserker call.
like +3 armor/lvl for 4 sec.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on December 23, 2010, 05:32:13 pm
So which is better:

- Current one
- 4 sec bonus with more powerful bonus
- Other?
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 23, 2010, 07:40:25 pm
1 question, when u use this spell, do the monster only attack normally or they still cast spell?
If they can cast spell, i am scared that bosses still kill 2 others like no problem  :-X
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Alan_Osl on December 23, 2010, 09:18:37 pm
1 question, when u use this spell, do the monster only attack normally or they still cast spell?
If they can cast spell, i am scared that bosses still kill 2 others like no problem  :-X
I agree, this spell doesnt really scale well into boss fight.
Boss cast spell = invulnerable = taunt useless.  :-\
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Pourquoi on December 23, 2010, 10:55:14 pm
And against regular mobs, this isn't useful. Since that aggro resetting trick works like a charm.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 24, 2010, 12:56:54 am
Is that possible to provide magic resistance bonus for whole party in a period of time?
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on December 24, 2010, 06:14:04 am
1 question, when u use this spell, do the monster only attack normally or they still cast spell?
If they can cast spell, i am scared that bosses still kill 2 others like no problem  :-X

It will be made from Blizzard's taunt and it's very easy to do. The enemies(including bosses) simply start to attack you with basic attacks. However, after some time they start to fight normally(I guess?) and attack just what is nearest to them. Bosses will do normally their basic and special abilities when they are damaged.

Is that possible to provide magic resistance bonus for whole party in a period of time?

In next version there's a combat king "Magic Resistance" which is a way to reduce damage from spells including boss special events.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 24, 2010, 06:28:02 am
It's good if when boss get taunted, they only do basic attack
Can u buff it a little more?  ::)
Anyway, i only use Area attack, awesome  8)
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Alan_Osl on December 24, 2010, 06:31:19 am
It's good if when boss get taunted, they only do basic attack
Can u buff it a little more?  ::)
Anyway, i only use Area attack, awesome  8)

Agree, especially in chapter 7 (siege golem boss)
Same, I only use Area attack as well, (no mana cost, reasonable damage)
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 24, 2010, 06:36:55 am
Agree, especially in chapter 7 (siege golem boss)
Same, I only use Area attack as well, (no mana cost, reasonable damage)

and cool animation ::), and Area attack is PASSIVE spell. I highlight that cuz many ppl love passive ability, i'm sure abt that. I'm tired of active Warcry and Avatar every 30 sec, seriously  >:(
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Alan_Osl on December 24, 2010, 06:39:41 am
and cool animation ::), and Area attack is PASSIVE spell. I highlight that cuz many ppl love passive ability, i'm sure abt that. I'm tired of active Warcry and Avatar every 30 sec, seriously  >:(

And 1 more thing, theres TOO many spells to press.
1 hero = 3 spells (at least, assuming theres 2 passive)
3 hero = 9 spells
Plus some spell books like destroy soul, flames of war, divine seal and etc....
OMG! It'll be like some hell without heaven! :-X
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: LucasMapurunga on December 24, 2010, 06:55:16 am
I don't understand why you people use area attack, seryously. I mean, Avatar is a lot more usefull for tanking and surviving early and late chapters + area attack have other means to be obtained, no ?
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 24, 2010, 06:56:52 am
I'm just lazy to active Avatar every 30 sec, especially when u hav all 3  :P
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Alan_Osl on December 24, 2010, 07:01:33 am
I don't understand why you people use area attack, seryously. I mean, Avatar is a lot more usefull for tanking and surviving early and late chapters + area attack have other means to be obtained, no ?

Surviving is easy at late chapters. This is my perception  :)
With fradz's bless of lightning, phodom's heaven's bless, galeoth's frost shield (+armor). Its pretty reliable.

And I dont find it hard to complete the chapter without Avatar in the early chapters 1, 4 and 5.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 24, 2010, 07:03:53 am
For me, Area Attack is the way to go
It's like some heaven without hell  ::)
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Alan_Osl on December 24, 2010, 07:28:58 am
For me, Area Attack is the way to go
It's like some heaven without hell  ::)

I see some vice versa thing here  :P ::) ;D
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: EndlessPain on December 24, 2010, 08:52:55 am
I'm just lazy to active Avatar every 30 sec, especially when u hav all 3  :P

Yet i like more avatar since it give u hella hp and str (woot for imba boost digging :D), also i cannot deny area attack is awesome.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on December 24, 2010, 11:06:00 am
It's good if when boss get taunted, they only do basic attack
Can u buff it a little more?  ::)
Anyway, i only use Area attack, awesome  8)

Actually that's not true. It depends of the boss, but most boss checks when it's damaged and the boss will cast a random spell back to the damaging unit.

For me, Area Attack is the way to go
It's like some heaven without hell  ::)

HEAVEN WITHOUT HELL!



Okay... So yes or not to this? Would someone use this?
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: [H]ell[H]eaven on December 24, 2010, 08:06:51 pm
Check the vote, look like every1 interested in Area Attack and avatar than this 1 but dont close this topic, keep it going, maybe some new members hav some ideas  :-\
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on December 25, 2010, 11:19:17 am
Two guys said yes so I'm doing this ability anyway. It's so easy to do anyway.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: SaRDaNaPaLoS_QQ on January 09, 2011, 03:57:35 am
Sardanapalos' Ideas strikes yet again!

So, i will attempt to make it better.

The user provokes the opponents using a might taunt (well i suck at descriptions >.>) Which will cause all enemies in X AoE to attack the user, for Y seconds. For every attack The user Sustains he will get +Z armor. The effect stacks W times.

Ain't i great? :P
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on January 11, 2011, 01:23:20 pm
Then we need to decide: either the armor is lvlx1 or every attack against Phodom will give X armor more.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: LucasMapurunga on January 11, 2011, 03:27:33 pm
I think it's better armor x lvl... increasing armor sounds ilogical: he taunts the enemies and them, for every hit, he gains more armor? wtf ? If it was a decreasing armor, it could make sense. But increasing armor, at least for me, does not.
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on January 11, 2011, 03:47:34 pm
I guess we have three choices then. Which one you would take?
Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: LucasMapurunga on January 11, 2011, 05:41:41 pm
Hm... I guess third choice is decreasing armor, right ? then :

1. Choice -  Instant Bonus Armor :

Sounds far logical. Taunt + armor bonus for beign in a defensive position and after the bonus time, assume a normal position (the "position" thing is just for explanation). It would be one of my choices.

2. Choice - Increasing Armor:

Ilogical, as I said. No point in beign hit and gaining armor...

3. Choice - Decreasing Armor:

Sounds even more logical as the first, as it's almost the same thing. The only difference is that beign hit would "decrease" the defensive position, and so decreasing armor. It would be my second choice.


Putting 1. and 3. front by front, I know 1. is better for gameplay, and I would pick it for beign stronger, but 3. is more realistic. It's up to you , I guess... or up to a poll  :P.

Title: Re: Would you use this new Phodom's Special Ability?
Post by: Aeroblyctos on January 12, 2011, 04:53:41 am
Can you do the poll, please? I'll close this thread once you have done that.