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In need of total unification
« on: June 06, 2013, 02:32:15 pm »
I read the latest news of a site and think that this project is in need of unification. Unification of people who supported the project for the whole period from the start till now. Sad about Aero's motivation gap. Sad about Doomlord's decision. About the people's inactivity - so much downloads, so much comments in hive - and no support in this "dark" times (I don't mean a donation only, some valuable ideas are needed too I suppose).
My view is that this project is not ready to fully change in a cost-efficient way as Aero wants - for so much time it was a free and only the motivation was moving it forward. It is going to become donate-able only gradually, and some time is needed for sure. The idea about free main plot and payable optionals is great for it to meet the needs of all users and creator. Some not very active users would found all prior news only after a while. Some of them could decide to donate, but only if veterans of the forum like Doomlord would continue their helpful topics and the project would be slowly moving forward. Required amounts could be obtained only after the relationship users-creator about donations would be something like a normal thing, not like it is now.
Therefore I mean that if the forum due to nothing new would die slowly and the campaign progress would stop in a nearest future, when the main plot in Ch.10 would come to its end - there would be a fail in reaching of the aims. For sure no development of the project and a forum (it could be slow, really slow, but it is for sure vital) would lead to no donations at all.

Sorry for my poor english, but I still hope that my view is clear.
 
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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 05:35:37 pm »
Ha...Thanks for making the thread Zozi. Sadly it's not something that can be easily done. A unification that is :-\.

We had already a discussion about the forum's inactivitty. It was such a big drama...And now we're trying to do something about the campaign itself. Not something easy I tell you ::).

Sorry for my poor english, but I still hope that my view is clear.

As clear as water, but and then...? What I mean is, you said what should be done. But how will it be done? How can we "unificate" as you said?
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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 12:30:33 am »
The campaign will always be free. About Doomlord he should've always knew that I won't never give the strings from my arms to others. That is simply my way to do the campaign; I will do the campaign alone, but you guys can help me. He's there once again making things to look so dramatic, but we love drama, don't we?

I can't do anything about the inactivity. That's up to you guys.

Killa will do another walkthrough about the campaign, maybe that will help. Last one gained 40,000 viewers.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 12:40:38 am by Aeroblyctos »

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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 12:50:38 am »
I don't recall making any recent drama. I just stated the facts but you know what? I had had enough and I stopped caring. That is that.

The shitloads of negative attitude and unreasonable discrimination should have driven me away months ago. I was weak back then and feared abandonment. However, with the current unfold of events, we part ways from now on. And I leave with a smile knowing that I finally made a right choice.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 12:58:12 am by Doomlord »

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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 03:06:27 am »
The nostalgic chat died already. Forum statistics have been dying over time. Eventually the forum will die too, unless a miraculous rich person starts donating 50$s each week.

Looking at TCO is like looking at the economic cycles; it starts from a fixed scratch, builds up over time, eventually reaching its peak. Then it crashes. Welcome to real life, no game lasts forever with high popularity, for as long as the evolution of technology goes forward.

It is typical for a human being to mourn after downs and deaths and all, but what is not healthy is to mourn forever.

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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 03:11:35 am »
Flecky, you're right.

But there is a slight chance that another golden age happens if the book is a success. It could bring a lot of attention. Why? Because the campaign tells more about Oelivert. If one has read the book and desperately wants more information, he could come here.

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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2013, 03:28:44 am »
Mu idea was about some replenish of the community, maybe something that would be posted by Aero in Hive comments, that would redirect people from hiveworkshop to tcocampaign.com. And about success of the book - for sure it would be! But also I do not see a direct link between the book and inputed-in-wc3-campaign - I mean - I read the book and liked it, but I've never used to play wc3. And I think that it relates to the vast majority :o
The campaign itself needs some - again let it be slooooow very very sloooow - but a progress. Something like as if current work on some new feature would take about a week or two - without a donation this feature would take unknown period, but with progress updates - for the community to understand that the project is not dead.
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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 04:18:15 am »
But there is a slight chance that another golden age happens if the book is a success. It could bring a lot of attention.

Hopefully, yes, as otherwise there'll be more of these periods when suddenly activity raises sky-high by 200-300% and the next month it crashes devastatingly back to start. Kinda like TCO was some sort of a season-bound event.

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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2013, 04:50:55 am »
To prove my words about donation-to-be-sufficient period just look to the donations list of Hive with it's constant updates - dunno if it is what hive team wants.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/apps.php?p=accounts
Hive is an old project, but for sure TCO is one of the headliners there. Maybe some connection with hive could attract more attention - something like making a TCO a hosted project on the main page (as like they do it already for other much more simple maps).
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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2013, 05:01:36 am »
But there is a slight chance that another golden age happens if the book is a success. It could bring a lot of attention.

Hopefully, yes, as otherwise there'll be more of these periods when suddenly activity raises sky-high by 200-300% and the next month it crashes devastatingly back to start. Kinda like TCO was some sort of a season-bound event.
Haha, indeed.

To prove my words about donation-to-be-sufficient period just look to the donations list of Hive with it's constant updates - dunno if it is what hive team wants.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/apps.php?p=accounts
Hive is an old project, but for sure TCO is one of the headliners there. Maybe some connection with hive could attract more attention - something like making a TCO a hosted project on the main page (as like they do it already for other much more simple maps).

TCO is already a hosted project there.

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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 05:44:57 am »
Zozi, you don't see the scale here; Hive probably contains 90% of the players of TCO (since most of us came here through Hive) AND thousands of others. And on top of that, Hive offers thousands of other maps whereas this site offers a collection of 10 in a campaign. You're trying to bite too big piece of a pie here.

And even if you look at the donations, you can see many months where Hive has received barely any donations at all. If you think Hive is a big-class business, think again; it's not.

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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 06:17:52 am »
Zozi, you don't see the scale here; Hive probably contains 90% of the players of TCO (since most of us came here through Hive) AND thousands of others. And on top of that, Hive offers thousands of other maps whereas this site offers a collection of 10 in a campaign. You're trying to bite too big piece of a pie here.

And even if you look at the donations, you can see many months where Hive has received barely any donations at all. If you think Hive is a big-class business, think again; it's not.

Man, that was exactly what I was talking about - if Hive with it's huge amount of users and constant updates and changes received far non-constant donations, then TCO in current circumstances will for sure fail in receiving a sufficient donation amounts in the next month or two, and if after it the site would become non-updateable - for sure the project will rest in peace.

About users on hive - I was talking about some unique feature after which ONLY TCO users from hive would be attracted to TCOcmpaign.com, and not like it is now - there is still active comment section in tco section of hiveworkshop, sometimes it is even more active then this forum.

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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2013, 06:24:24 am »
I will most likely side with doomlord on some facts.Aero wants to do the campaign alone , with no DIRECT help , but he did accepted doom's spells.Now , i don't know what's got doom so upset or why the forum is crumbleing , but I know that Aero should NEVER have started a project of the size of TCO by himself.If he found 2-3 worthy helpers , TCO would be bugless and playable right now.

When you want to do something by yourself make sure you can.Most of aero's past projects were made with the help of other people.He has decided to take TCO , the biggest  project he ever planned on himself.And you might think you are helping him with ideas , but in truth you are just making his work harder.He has a shitload of bugs to take care of alone , ideas come in also , alongside with the swarm of "hurry the **** up" requests.

I understand him on the work part , I always did.But aero is not perfect , he has a lot of flows that you may or may not know.I found out about most of them trought the years I've stayed on this forum , trying to help , but the worst one is in my oppinion greed.Think about it.Why would he start a project like TCO by himself?

I don't want to bash anyone , I don't want to follow Doom's steps , and I also don't want TCO to stop alongside with this forum , I am just here to state facts and ask for answers.

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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2013, 06:33:33 am »
@Zozi, ..... I kept reading and reading your previous posts over and over again but for some reason it still doesn't appeal to me as if you resisted the idea... Well, if your point in the end is what you just said, then sorry about that. It's not the first time I've understood someone wrong.

I understand him on the work part , I always did.But aero is not perfect , he has a lot of flows that you may or may not know.I found out about most of them trought the years I've stayed on this forum , trying to help , but the worst one is in my oppinion greed.Think about it.Why would he start a project like TCO by himself?
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Re: In need of total unification
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 06:39:34 am »
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with no DIRECT help
People would just mess up the campaign if I give it to other people. Besides I've always hated to put systems / spells I cannot understand myself to the campaign. Besides I think I've done fairly good job with the campaign and I don't think other people would've helped me a lot. Maybe we could have few more spells and perhaps some system would be a little more effective but that's about it. I would've never allowed other than me for example create cinematics because then the campaign and the story wouldn't be like I wanted.

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I know that Aero should NEVER have started a project of the size of TCO by himself.If he found 2-3 worthy helpers , TCO would be bugless and playable right now.
I agree with you.

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When you want to do something by yourself make sure you can.Most of aero's past projects were made with the help of other people
Definitely not. They were just small projects which were easy to create. Well, except Mystery of Friza and The Land of Legends. The original TCO I almost finished and I was already doing chapter 10 until I suddenly started doing the campaign from all over again with these Elite and Epic bosses.

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I understand him on the work part , I always did.But aero is not perfect , he has a lot of flows that you may or may not know.I found out about most of them trought the years I've stayed on this forum , trying to help , but the worst one is in my oppinion greed.Think about it.Why would he start a project like TCO by himself?
Greed? Hmm, interesting point. I've always said to myself I'm not greed but perhaps I was when starting the project. Am I greed?
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