The Chosen Ones

Thank you a lot Aero,  I hope everyone including myself will take heed of your advice.

Well here we are doom, at your service as usual.

One thing I want to point out, I don't blame Yggdrasill that much for what he wrote, as he was angry (even though it was a misunderstanding) and acted in anger. However doom you were a bystander and could easily see what was happening and should know better than to do what you did. Anyway, here we are:

Yggy flips at Merlon after a misunderstanding

Because that's YOUR damn problem. It has nothing to do with bugs. And can you bother to learn to edit posts?

Merlon genuinely thought he was reporting a bug, which he clarified in his next post with no retaliation at all. He even takes Yggys advice and edits his posts. And he is offended by Yggy's attitude and completely understandably says he may as well not report bugs any more. He is perfectly within his rights to do that, after being treated the way he was.

To that Yggy simply continues the insults

Sigh... A stereotypical fanboy... Only knows how to report bugs, and starts to throw tantrums all over the place when being criticised... Yet, you felt butthurt... How dramatic

Instead of supporting Merlon after he was treated unjustly, doom says this:

Dude no need to flip out like that. Just calm down.

Is that the right course of action? Don't defend someone against injustice, but rather tell them off and in doing so encourage the bad actions of Yggdrasill?

So because you wouldn't defend Merlon when he was being wronged, Croco comes in and does it. His intentions are to be praised, if I was there I would have said (almost) the same. Here is exactly what he said:

Yggdrasill maybe is it time to rethink the way you behave ?!
You are way too agressive when you speak to the community members especially when they are trying to contribute and help the campaign development.

If I were at Merlon's place I also would have felt offended, he just did a great job reporting a great deal of bugs and instead of thanking him, all you do is to bark at him.

How dramatic.

That is an almost perfect response, apart from saying that Yggy barked at him. But seriously, after the kind of things Yggy said, this remark is nothing in comparison.

And now instead of at least acknowledging that yggy may have acted in anger, you start on Croco.

At first this is just between Merlon and Yggdrasill but after reading this post I have to interfere.

You had already interfered

I had dealt with a guy just like you before. One who attempted to interfere and talked like you are the one who was offended/felt butthurt in the first place. I don't know if you have had any clashed with Yggy in the past but it seems like you are trying to exact revenge on him through this for your personal gain.

Direct insult at Croco, even though he is right in standing up for the one treated unjustly.

I will analyze the situation here for you because you are completely wrong. At first Yggy quoted some NON-BUGS from Merlon's post then said (rather rudely) that they were his problems and he should learn how to combine all the bug reports into a single post instead of stretching them out. He only talked a bit rude but his post wasn't flaming or insulting

I am sure you would feel insulted by this:
"Because that's YOUR damn problem. It has nothing to do with bugs. And can you bother to learn to edit posts?"

yet the guy Merlon threw a tantrum and started sulking like a girl, even going as far as deleting all his bug reports. He did it deliberately and Yggy's post wasn't completely responsible. Then Yggy pointed out how the guy misunderstood him and that deleting the bug reports was actions carried out by his own will.

Firstly he neither threw a tantrum nor sulked. Secondly this is how Yggy "pointed out how the guy misunderstood him":

Sigh... A stereotypical fanboy... Only knows how to report bugs, and starts to throw tantrums all over the place when being criticised...
You completely misunderstood the post. I only quoted that one 'bug'; which obviously meant that I was only referring to that 'bug', and none of the other ones. Yet, you felt butthurt (since that post was meant to be criticism), and removed all the other bugs that you posted, without realising that they are true bugs.
How dramatic.

In other words, with more insults and flaming. Yet you seem to ignore that. In addition, yggy got it wrong, the bug that was actually not a bug, Merlon GENUINELY thought it was a bug. He said clearly "When i read the "Holgro" quest, i undestand i must find the last part of the empty dig spot i have found.
For the damned set, i say i have maybe miss something.
All the boss, all steal and dig done. I just ask for verify the item can be found."
He has tried to find the item, and the game is saying that all steal and dig is complete, so he is double checking that the item actually exists. He even explained why he thought the item may be missing "maybe is as the medicine quest the item doesn't exist anymore." which is perfectly reasonable. Not everyone thinks to go straight to the item list.

Now you came here and posted that Yggy is offensive and stuffs. You even said that Yggy 'barked' to Merlon in a post that is (supposed to be) from someone who is trying to show empathy and understanding. This is really a cliche, insulting the 'bad' guy and supporting the 'good' guy. Have you done anything to contribute to the campaign's development yourself except for reporting bugs? The bugs can be reported by anyone who play the campaign and pay a little attention. Unline you and Merlon, Yggy here works hard to help the campaign in multiple ways, exceeding your combined contribution many times.

This bit is proof of elitism. You can't say that Croco acted unjustly, so instead you bring his contribution to TCO into question. Basically you can't attack what he said because he has a strong argument, so instead you attack HIM. This isn't justice, nor a wise move as you are side-stepping the point: yggy shouldn't have acted the way he did as it is wrong. You can't say that the King is always in the right just because he's the King, even if he does a blatant injustice.

Also you are belittling other people's contributions to TCO "bugs here can be reported by anyone who play the campaign and pay a little attention". This is another insult to Merlon, and it is also not true. Bugs can be easily missed, so the more people reporting them, the less chance that some will escape our attention.

And don't bother flaming/insulting me for this post, since I will be ignoring the posts that are directly aimed at me but I will be more than happy to have a nice and civilized conversation with you instead.

Peace. And yes I don't use 'How dramatic' because borrowing the insulted target's phrase isn't such a glorious thing to do in the first place after all.

No comment.

And yggy's words:

Anyone who is remotely attentive can report these bugs. If Merlon didn't post these bugs, then someone else would eventually do so.

Is this the correct attitude to have? I personally think it's elitism and the kind of thing that will drive people away from TCO forums "we don't care about any new members, we don't need you and we don't want you"

"If only those fanboys can understand such wise words."

Simply put, they want war/drama/whatever so we bring it to them. That is all. Why bother denying them such joy?

I still don't get how or why you have labeled them fanboys when they have never exhibited any fanboyist behaviour. Also, they never asked for war or drama. Yggy waged the war and Merlon was the one backing off. He didn't insult yggy back or do anything more to get his own back. Yet you have flipped it on its head.

"I put all the thing i have report on 1 post. My first post on the thread.
Or i miss undestand?"

Oops, I didn't see that. Well that is very nice of you to do so.

Anyway about this whole arguement I think we should end it here. Let bygone be bygone okay?

It is nice that you thank him after you realise your mistake, but don't you owe him an apology after what you have said and done? Imagine if you were in his shoes, how would you feel.

Instead you end the argument by saying "let it be, we'll just forget about it" after you were the one who had the last word, and you were the one who was mistaken (as you admitted). I'm pretty sure that is not mature behaviour.


So I am sorry if I have caused any grief to anyone, I personally would have preferred it if people just read the incident themselves and not asked me to point out the facts, as of course the truth can hurt.

Anyway if you believe I am mistaken please feel free to point out how. Thanks!