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Be friendly
« on: September 03, 2012, 03:01:17 pm »
Hey everyone!

I've seen some negative attitude last few weeks around the website. I don't like this and I would like that from now on everyone is friendly to each other.

I understand that we have those Masterthreads that are strict. Some members of our community has given a great effort to them, so please follow how to post there. The idea of those threads is to keep the forums clean from hundreds of smaller threads and make my job easier.

One word I would like to be forgotten and not used around the website. The word "fanboy". I'm not the only one annoyed by this, but many others as well. So please, do not use that word anymore here.


This is a friendly discussion.

Have a nice day!  [-)
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 06:51:30 am by Aeroblyctos »

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Re: Be friendly
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 05:57:34 pm »
I completely agree with Aero, and personally I was about to start a thread of my own for this very reason.

I don't normally bring up issues that have cooled down, but a particular incident a few days ago has actually resulted in driving a helpful member away from the forums (I spoke to him via PM), and I don't want something like this to happen again. I understand that this is probably going to create an argument and more conflict temporarily, but bear with me, I am sure that from posting this afterwards certain wrong habits will be brought to light and the forum will be made a better place.

So damn straight I am going to bring this up right here so that people can learn from past mistakes, and possibly have the decency to feel ashamed/apologize.

A new member called Merlon who has posted many bugs and given his time and effort to TCO was treated in a manner that is, frankly, disgusting. A simple angry outburst is forgivable, you could apologize and that's that. Not only did this forumer insult Merlon again, but another esteemed member of the forum joined in the insults, and started encouraging him as well.

And another new member Croco who spoke out against the injustice was also verbally attacked without right. I don't want to name and shame but the people responsible know who they are and I personally think they should sort themselves out.

The worst part is that there were no apologies made. Rather Merlin and Croco simply stopped replying and that was how the argument didn't continue.

I spoke to one of those who are responsible for this bad behaviour, and I believe he understands that what he did was wrong (I hope so) but I believe there are apologies to be made in public to set things right.

If anyone thinks I am speaking unjustly, I invite them to please read over what was said in that incident from a neutral perspective. I would quote the kind of phrases used here, but there is little need.

Can I just make another thing very clear no one is under any kind of compulsion to contribute to these forums. If someone joins just to congratulate Aero and then leaves then that is their right. If someone joins to point out a bug and leaves then that is their right (and tbh they should be thanked for bothering). People can do as they wish as long as they don't break the rules. Calling people who don't stay for longer than one post "fanboys" is just being elitist. It isn't a good thing.

If you disagree I have no problem with that, but feel free to point out your reasoning.

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Re: Be friendly
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 08:57:47 pm »
You guys say that want to avoid drama, but you aren't being dramatic yourselves? It doesn't matter who we are talking about, new members, old members, active members, whatever, the problem with all of you is take everything with a level of seriousness beyond normal.

It's a forum! Follow the rules! Besides that you don't have to pleasure anyone else. If someone call you a fanboy...sorry for you, but people already called me things way worse than this(not in this forum). If you feel this hurt just because of this, it's just ridiculous...who the heck cares for what someone from the other side of the world is thinking about you?

I don't completly disagree with you hamza, you're right most of the time, yet i must say something: A forum is someplace that you log in to post something and then vanish? Why not? It's something you decide, you're absolutely right! But why should i feel thanked for it? I don't bother doing things i don't really want(or need) to do, no one here is doing anything they don't want to(if someone is, sorry, but for what reason?). Yet, hurt someone's feellings aren't something that should be praised, that's for sure(but again, i can't see reason to get hurt).

Aero is right about the negative attitude...and this is it. So what? Like hamza said, you can do whatever you want here if it's according to the rules. Even if you hurt someone, if its circumtances match with the rules then no problem here. It's a fact, we can't control what they do, but they can't control us too. No one is at disadvantage here.

Aaah...just to complete the post, to be frank, you guys are acting like kids, everyone one of you guys, me too by the way(oh, really?). If there's something that i really agree with you is that we should stop this, yet, the way you act looks like siding(even if its don't), to make a side win and make the other one lose. This is not "peace", this is just a excuse.

Oh yeah, i'm being dramatic, i'm kind of contradicting myself.
Just to make it short:
Stop with this things about dramatization of the fanboys situation(i don't plan to give up the word either, it's just a word, sorry, Aero, but if you really want it to disappear then put it as a proihibited word in the forum rules). If you guys really want something to change, it's the only way. A war gives nothing but regret.

If you didn't understand me in some situation, you wants a explanation, it'll be my pleasure to answer, yet it'll be just more drama. Ask at you own risk.

PS: Hamza, the last thing i want is to you or someone else to see this a fight/war declaration. I'm just giving my opinion that no one asked(i can do everything, can't I :D?).
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Re: Be friendly
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 11:47:07 pm »
A new member called Merlon who has posted many bugs and given his time and effort to TCO was treated in a manner that is, frankly, disgusting. A simple angry outburst is forgivable, you could apologize and that's that. Not only did this forumer insult Merlon again, but another esteemed member of the forum joined in the insults, and started encouraging him as well.

And another new member Croco who spoke out against the injustice was also verbally attacked without right. I don't want to name and shame but the people responsible know who they are and I personally think they should sort themselves out.

The worst part is that there were no apologies made. Rather Merlin and Croco simply stopped replying and that was how the argument didn't continue.

I spoke to one of those who are responsible for this bad behaviour, and I believe he understands that what he did was wrong (I hope so) but I believe there are apologies to be made in public to set things right.
Okay I deleted my earlier comment after reading hamza's post because it seems this 'fanboy' issue has gone quite far and mundane reasoning isn't going to work. Now this quoted passage here has some faults with the 'facts'. First I didn't encourage Yggy to insult him nor join in the insult. I merely expressed my own opinion concerning the matter. The manner that was used is neither disgusting nor immature. You concluded that yourself.

About CroCo he was the one who used the word 'bark' in his post. A very insulting that was the last straw for me. He wanted to turn the drama into a war and I am more than happy to escalate it for him. Then again I am under no obligation to respect, tolerate or remain neutral towards members like him, especially once you consider the fact that bug-reporters are easily replaced. Yes I may have attacked him verbally but he started it first. Once a war began there are only allies and enemies. They attack us and we retaliate. Yggy is my ally and CroCo is the enemy. Enemies must be annihilated, simple logic. And again for emphasis in this war we didn't involve Merlon, mind you. That being said, I am not going to execute any form of public apology because:
  • I didn't insult Merlon in the first place, in other words, I didn't do anything wrong.
  • CroCo insulted Yggy first, and I joined in because Yggy is my ally and I don't like seeing others hurt my ally.

Can I just make another thing very clear no one is under any kind of compulsion to contribute to these forums. If someone joins just to congratulate Aero and then leaves then that is their right. If someone joins to point out a bug and leaves then that is their right (and tbh they should be thanked for bothering). People can do as they wish as long as they don't break the rules. Calling people who don't stay for longer than one post "fanboys" is just being elitist. It isn't a good thing.
Then we, in return, are under no kind of compulsion to respect the fanboys. They hate us and that is their problem, not ours, because we don't like them either. They want war then bring it on, we are not afraid. If they want peace, we shall make peace with them. It is completely their own choice to make. And, I am going to be damn straight again, 1-post-bug-reporters are easily replacable and I don't care if they leave or not because sooner or later someone else will show up. I am not gonna be thankful unless they have than 10 posts dedicated to bug-reporting. You and Aero can join forces together, but I still have others to back me up.

Peace.

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« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 12:07:57 am by Doomlord »

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Re: Be friendly
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2012, 12:35:32 am »
Lol shin you make me smile!

I agree generally with the stuff you said apart from one important point: A forum is NOT a place where you can log in and do whatever you want just because no one knows who you really are so no one should care. A lot of stuff is OK, but it is not acceptable to insult someone. Aero doesn't want people driven away from this forum because they get insulted or see others get insulted (at least I'm banking everything I say on that fact anyway lol). Who would want to continue spending their time on a forum where they are insulted by the elite members? I know I wouldn't. Stuff like that will stop new people from joining and will cause contributing members to leave permanently. My proof? Merlon told me he has no intention of posting anything here again. We have lost a member that may have developed to be a great benefit to TCO. Should we care? I think anyone who wants the best for this forum and TCO should care.

Commitments start somewhere. People will start with one post, maybe it's even against the rules. But if they meet courteous and helpful and forgiving people they will be encouraged to contribute more, until they develop a bond with other members and that's what will lead to people writing guides and making the forum great. Don't we want that? Not everyone joins a forum with full intention to post every day etc, most of the time someone joins to point out a single thing, then slowly slowly builds up to an active member.

So do what aero says and stop with calling new members fanboys, as well as acting elitist. I'm gonna say it now, it LOOKS like people on this forum use the word for any new member that does anything that irritates them whether good or bad.

Not happy with his post? Huh, he's a typical fanboy...

(Like I get if someone comes up and says something like "YOU ALL SUCK GET LOST, AERO IS A GENIUS MARRY ME PLEEEEEEASE" then you call him a fanboy, but if someone only posts to tell bugs then I really don't understand how that's being a fanboy...)

Anyhow, Doom I'll post up the whole conversation here in just a bit so we can see clearly what happened. I don't want to insult you or anyone else, I just feel that this kind of incident should be learnt from and avoided in the future.

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- Can't finish optional quest "Holgro" (only find 1part at shop). Can't finish "Maximilian" (only find damned mask forthe damned set) Maybe i miss something.
Because that's YOUR damn problem. It has nothing to do with bugs.
And can you bother to learn to edit posts?

Because that's YOUR damn problem. It has nothing to do with bugs.
When i read the "Holgro" quest, i undestand i must find the last part of the empty dig spot i have found.
For the damned set, i say i have maybe miss something.
All the boss, all steal and dig done. I just ask for verify the item can be found.
Maybe i am blind and don't see the item. Or maybe is as the medicine quest the item doesn't exist anymore.
But, yes all i have report is not bug and it's my fault. I will stop to report.

And can you bother to learn to edit posts?
Done

But, yes all i have report is not bug and it's my fault. I will stop to report.
Dude no need to flip out like that. Just calm down. You have been doing a great job reporting detailed bugs of each chapter and I myself appreciate that. Yggy is a bit angry because the 'bugs' he quoted aren't bugs. It is just that you didn't check carefully before posting them.

However there is still an advice that I need to give you. If possible, try using better English in your posts. Good English doesn't only make your posts easier to read, it also makes them more appealing and helpful.

But, yes all i have report is not bug and it's my fault. I will stop to report.
Sigh... A stereotypical fanboy... Only knows how to report bugs, and starts to throw tantrums all over the place when being criticised...
You completely misunderstood the post. I only quoted that one 'bug'; which obviously meant that I was only referring to that 'bug', and none of the other ones. Yet, you felt butthurt (since that post was meant to be criticism), and removed all the other bugs that you posted, without realising that they are true bugs.
How dramatic.

Yggdrasill maybe is it time to rethink the way you behave ?!
You are way too agressive when you speak to the community members especially when they are trying to contribute and help the campaign development.

If I were at Merlon's place I also would have felt offended, he just did a great job reporting a great deal of bugs and instead of thanking him, all you do is to bark at him.

How dramatic.

Yggdrasill maybe is it time to rethink the way you behave ?!
You are way too agressive when you speak to the community members especially when they are trying to contribute and help the campaign development.

If I were at Merlon's place I also would have felt offended, he just did a great job reporting a great deal of bugs and instead of thanking him, all you do is to bark at him.

How dramatic.
At first this is just between Merlon and Yggdrasill but after reading this post I have to interfere.

I had dealt with a guy just like you before. One who attempted to interfere and talked like you are the one who was offended/felt butthurt in the first place. I don't know if you have had any clashed with Yggy in the past but it seems like you are trying to exact revenge on him through this for your personal gain. I will analyze the situation here for you because you are completely wrong. At first Yggy quoted some NON-BUGS from Merlon's post then said (rather rudely) that they were his problems and he should learn how to combine all the bug reports into a single post instead of stretching them out. He only talked a bit rude but his post wasn't flaming or insulting yet the guy Merlon threw a tantrum and started sulking like a girl, even going as far as deleting all his bug reports. He did it deliberately and Yggy's post wasn't completely responsible. Then Yggy pointed out how the guy misunderstood him and that deleting the bug reports was actions carried out by his own will.

Now you came here and posted that Yggy is offensive and stuffs. You even said that Yggy 'barked' to Merlon in a post that is (supposed to be) from someone who is trying to show empathy and understanding. This is really a cliche, insulting the 'bad' guy and supporting the 'good' guy. Have you done anything to contribute to the campaign's development yourself except for reporting bugs? The bugs can be reported by anyone who play the campaign and pay a little attention. Unline you and Merlon, Yggy here works hard to help the campaign in multiple ways, exceeding your combined contribution many times. And don't bother flaming/insulting me for this post, since I will be ignoring the posts that are directly aimed at me but I will be more than happy to have a nice and civilized conversation with you instead.

Peace. And yes I don't use 'How dramatic' because borrowing the insulted target's phrase isn't such a glorious thing to do in the first place after all.

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You are way too agressive when you speak to the community members especially when they are trying to contribute and help the campaign development.
Aggressive, eh? I only criticised Merlon of posting not-bugs at the bug thread. And if you ask me, that post was offensive towards ME too; Merlon didn't look at the item list at all, and just assumed that the item is not obtainable. If it was truly unobtainable, he/she/xe/it/they should have at least put more details.
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If I were at Merlon's place I also would have felt offended, he just did a great job reporting a great deal of bugs and instead of thanking him, all you do is to bark at him.
Anyone who is remotely attentive can report these bugs. If Merlon didn't post these bugs, then someone else would eventually do so.

Still...i wonder why people like to make a fuss in forums, chats and stuff, if it's not the funny type then it's no good. I mean, why get offended by something like words from some guy that you' ve never met before? Just give up, shut up and go do something more useful :P.
If only those fanboys can understand such wise words.
Either way, this is a bug masterthread anyway. So why don't we just leave this in the peaceful way and turn the "Bug masterthread" back into its original function.
Simply put, they want war/drama/whatever so we bring it to them. That is all. Why bother denying them such joy?

that they were his problems and he should learn how to combine all the bug reports into a single post instead of stretching them out. He only talked a bit rude but his post wasn't flaming or insulting yet the guy Merlon threw a tantrum and started sulking like a girl, even going as far as deleting all his bug reports.

I put all the thing i have report on 1 post. My first post on the thread.
Or i miss undestand?


I put all the thing i have report on 1 post. My first post on the thread.
Or i miss undestand?
Oops, I didn't see that. Well that is very nice of you to do so.

Anyway about this whole arguement I think we should end it here. Let bygone be bygone okay?
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 12:47:54 am by hamza_tm »

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Re: Be friendly
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2012, 12:49:33 am »
Commitments start somewhere. People will start with one post, maybe it's even against the rules. But if they meet courteous and helpful and forgiving people they will be encouraged to contribute more, until they develop a bond with other members and that's what will lead to people writing guides and making the forum great. Don't we want that? Not everyone joins a forum with full intention to post every day etc, most of the time someone joins to point out a single thing, then slowly slowly builds up to an active member.

So do what aero says and stop with calling new members fanboys, as well as acting elitist. I'm gonna say it now, it LOOKS like people on this forum use the word for any new member that does anything that irritates them whether good or bad.

Not happy with his post? Huh, he's a typical fanboy...
I object to your point hamza. Unless you can find a good example, I am not going to buy it. Sorry pal but to prove something to me you will need proofs.

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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2012, 12:52:57 am »
Commitments start somewhere. People will start with one post, maybe it's even against the rules. But if they meet courteous and helpful and forgiving people they will be encouraged to contribute more, until they develop a bond with other members and that's what will lead to people writing guides and making the forum great. Don't we want that? Not everyone joins a forum with full intention to post every day etc, most of the time someone joins to point out a single thing, then slowly slowly builds up to an active member.

So do what aero says and stop with calling new members fanboys, as well as acting elitist. I'm gonna say it now, it LOOKS like people on this forum use the word for any new member that does anything that irritates them whether good or bad.

Not happy with his post? Huh, he's a typical fanboy...
I object to your point hamza. Unless you can find a good example, I am not going to buy it. Sorry pal but to prove something to me you will need proofs.


Heheh I certainly would but in this forum I think you may have scared off all the potential candidates by calling them fanboys...

Sorry I'm just joking :)

But seriously, how will you ever know if you don't give them a chance?


ANYWAY, regarding the incident, would you like me to point out where you insulted him doom or do you accept you did something wrong? Nothing personal I just want to make it clear again
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 12:56:29 am by hamza_tm »

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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2012, 01:02:39 am »
Heheh I certainly would but in this forum I think you may have scared off all the potential candidates by calling them fanboys...

Sorry I'm just joking :)

But seriously, how will you ever know if you don't give them a chance?
I had always wanted to see the forum expanded and the community grew bigger than ever once. Unlike you I indeed have seen many 'candidates'. At first I was really happy, gave them a warm welcome and stuffs. But then after a while they were gone and I started to lose trust, with my old dream fragmenting each time. In every 10 new members, there is only a 50% chance to encounter one who will stay and be active. The rest just came and left, like shadows. I understood that it is their own freedom and I have no right to interfere. As I said previously it is completely their own choice. I respect those who stay and contribute like you or Shino and despise those fanboys. But then again what good have they brought apart from bug-reporting? It is not such a big issue to dramatize after all.
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 01:15:33 am »
I'm sorry what you had to go through losing all those potential good members after your efforts.

BTW I edited my post above, if you would like to read the last bit.

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 01:18:27 am »
ANYWAY, regarding the incident, would you like me to point out where you insulted him doom or do you accept you did something wrong? Nothing personal I just want to make it clear again
Well enlighten me then.

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 04:11:52 am »
I also fully agree with Aero's post. A forum, or better a community should not be fragmented into a part of elitist people (whose achievements are out of the question) and a part of "lesser" member to be called fanboys. I simply see not how this is helping a community to grow.

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 05:39:25 am »
I also fully agree with Aero's post. A forum, or better a community should not be fragmented into a part of elitist people (whose achievements are out of the question) and a part of "lesser" member to be called fanboys. I simply see not how this is helping a community to grow.
I agree with manstein's statement. This is in no way some kind of discrimination. It is just that the new members need to follow the rules and know what 'common decency' means and I am cool with that.
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Re: Be friendly
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 07:18:30 am »
First of all, be an adult. Think like an adult and don't start or continue flamewars. I understand most of us are not adults, but at least try to be like one. Be friendly and understand others without looking their age or where they are from. Do not mock other members around the site.

If you need to mock someone, mock me. I can take that. But many of us can't.


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It's a forum! Follow the rules! Besides that you don't have to pleasure anyone else. If someone call you a fanboy...sorry for you, but people already called me things way worse than this(not in this forum). If you feel this hurt just because of this, it's just ridiculous...who the heck cares for what someone from the other side of the world is thinking about you?

People are different, we have to remember that. That is why we should understand our differences. Especially as this is global forum, anyone can join from from anywhere. It's better to be careful with your words than be hasty.


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He wanted to turn the drama into a war and I am more than happy to escalate it for him.

This is a wrong attitude. You clearly state that you want war. You perhaps didn't start it, but you continued it. Very bad and wrong attitude from a moderator. Instead, you should have been more calm and stop the coming war.

But everyone learns from mistakes. You're probably first time moderator so very understandable. Next time I hope you'll douse the fires before they start to spread.


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Stop with this things about dramatization of the fanboys situation(i don't plan to give up the word either, it's just a word, sorry, Aero, but if you really want it to disappear then put it as a proihibited word in the forum rules). If you guys really want something to change, it's the only way. A war gives nothing but regret.

Now that we have started talking about the case, we will talk to the end until everyone is satisfied.

I fear that if I create a rule not to use the word it won't do any good. Instead it might make you to use the word even more. So I'm here to ask you to stop using it. It gives a bad impression of the forum.

The bottom line is that I don't want the forum become elitist as many sites have became. I won't become elitist, I hope you guys won't too. I honestly take feedback and criticsm without looking age, where you're from or how long you've been here. I believe in a society of equality.
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2012, 07:21:31 am »
Thank you a lot Aero,  I hope everyone including myself will take heed of your advice.

Well here we are doom, at your service as usual.

One thing I want to point out, I don't blame Yggdrasill that much for what he wrote, as he was angry (even though it was a misunderstanding) and acted in anger. However doom you were a bystander and could easily see what was happening and should know better than to do what you did. Anyway, here we are:

Yggy flips at Merlon after a misunderstanding
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Because that's YOUR damn problem. It has nothing to do with bugs. And can you bother to learn to edit posts?
Merlon genuinely thought he was reporting a bug, which he clarified in his next post with no retaliation at all. He even takes Yggys advice and edits his posts. And he is offended by Yggy's attitude and completely understandably says he may as well not report bugs any more. He is perfectly within his rights to do that, after being treated the way he was.

To that Yggy simply continues the insults
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Sigh... A stereotypical fanboy... Only knows how to report bugs, and starts to throw tantrums all over the place when being criticised... Yet, you felt butthurt... How dramatic

Instead of supporting Merlon after he was treated unjustly, doom says this:
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Dude no need to flip out like that. Just calm down.

Is that the right course of action? Don't defend someone against injustice, but rather tell them off and in doing so encourage the bad actions of Yggdrasill?

So because you wouldn't defend Merlon when he was being wronged, Croco comes in and does it. His intentions are to be praised, if I was there I would have said (almost) the same. Here is exactly what he said:
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Yggdrasill maybe is it time to rethink the way you behave ?!
You are way too agressive when you speak to the community members especially when they are trying to contribute and help the campaign development.

If I were at Merlon's place I also would have felt offended, he just did a great job reporting a great deal of bugs and instead of thanking him, all you do is to bark at him.

How dramatic.

That is an almost perfect response, apart from saying that Yggy barked at him. But seriously, after the kind of things Yggy said, this remark is nothing in comparison.

And now instead of at least acknowledging that yggy may have acted in anger, you start on Croco.

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At first this is just between Merlon and Yggdrasill but after reading this post I have to interfere.

You had already interfered

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I had dealt with a guy just like you before. One who attempted to interfere and talked like you are the one who was offended/felt butthurt in the first place. I don't know if you have had any clashed with Yggy in the past but it seems like you are trying to exact revenge on him through this for your personal gain.

Direct insult at Croco, even though he is right in standing up for the one treated unjustly.

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I will analyze the situation here for you because you are completely wrong. At first Yggy quoted some NON-BUGS from Merlon's post then said (rather rudely) that they were his problems and he should learn how to combine all the bug reports into a single post instead of stretching them out. He only talked a bit rude but his post wasn't flaming or insulting

I am sure you would feel insulted by this:
"Because that's YOUR damn problem. It has nothing to do with bugs. And can you bother to learn to edit posts?"

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yet the guy Merlon threw a tantrum and started sulking like a girl, even going as far as deleting all his bug reports. He did it deliberately and Yggy's post wasn't completely responsible. Then Yggy pointed out how the guy misunderstood him and that deleting the bug reports was actions carried out by his own will.

Firstly he neither threw a tantrum nor sulked. Secondly this is how Yggy "pointed out how the guy misunderstood him":
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Sigh... A stereotypical fanboy... Only knows how to report bugs, and starts to throw tantrums all over the place when being criticised...
You completely misunderstood the post. I only quoted that one 'bug'; which obviously meant that I was only referring to that 'bug', and none of the other ones. Yet, you felt butthurt (since that post was meant to be criticism), and removed all the other bugs that you posted, without realising that they are true bugs.
How dramatic.

In other words, with more insults and flaming. Yet you seem to ignore that. In addition, yggy got it wrong, the bug that was actually not a bug, Merlon GENUINELY thought it was a bug. He said clearly "When i read the "Holgro" quest, i undestand i must find the last part of the empty dig spot i have found.
For the damned set, i say i have maybe miss something.
All the boss, all steal and dig done. I just ask for verify the item can be found."
He has tried to find the item, and the game is saying that all steal and dig is complete, so he is double checking that the item actually exists. He even explained why he thought the item may be missing "maybe is as the medicine quest the item doesn't exist anymore." which is perfectly reasonable. Not everyone thinks to go straight to the item list.

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Now you came here and posted that Yggy is offensive and stuffs. You even said that Yggy 'barked' to Merlon in a post that is (supposed to be) from someone who is trying to show empathy and understanding. This is really a cliche, insulting the 'bad' guy and supporting the 'good' guy. Have you done anything to contribute to the campaign's development yourself except for reporting bugs? The bugs can be reported by anyone who play the campaign and pay a little attention. Unline you and Merlon, Yggy here works hard to help the campaign in multiple ways, exceeding your combined contribution many times.

This bit is proof of elitism. You can't say that Croco acted unjustly, so instead you bring his contribution to TCO into question. Basically you can't attack what he said because he has a strong argument, so instead you attack HIM. This isn't justice, nor a wise move as you are side-stepping the point: yggy shouldn't have acted the way he did as it is wrong. You can't say that the King is always in the right just because he's the King, even if he does a blatant injustice.

Also you are belittling other people's contributions to TCO "bugs here can be reported by anyone who play the campaign and pay a little attention". This is another insult to Merlon, and it is also not true. Bugs can be easily missed, so the more people reporting them, the less chance that some will escape our attention.

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And don't bother flaming/insulting me for this post, since I will be ignoring the posts that are directly aimed at me but I will be more than happy to have a nice and civilized conversation with you instead.

Peace. And yes I don't use 'How dramatic' because borrowing the insulted target's phrase isn't such a glorious thing to do in the first place after all.

No comment.

And yggy's words:
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Anyone who is remotely attentive can report these bugs. If Merlon didn't post these bugs, then someone else would eventually do so.

Is this the correct attitude to have? I personally think it's elitism and the kind of thing that will drive people away from TCO forums "we don't care about any new members, we don't need you and we don't want you"

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"If only those fanboys can understand such wise words."
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Simply put, they want war/drama/whatever so we bring it to them. That is all. Why bother denying them such joy?

I still don't get how or why you have labeled them fanboys when they have never exhibited any fanboyist behaviour. Also, they never asked for war or drama. Yggy waged the war and Merlon was the one backing off. He didn't insult yggy back or do anything more to get his own back. Yet you have flipped it on its head.

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"I put all the thing i have report on 1 post. My first post on the thread.
Or i miss undestand?"

Oops, I didn't see that. Well that is very nice of you to do so.

Anyway about this whole arguement I think we should end it here. Let bygone be bygone okay?

It is nice that you thank him after you realise your mistake, but don't you owe him an apology after what you have said and done? Imagine if you were in his shoes, how would you feel.

Instead you end the argument by saying "let it be, we'll just forget about it" after you were the one who had the last word, and you were the one who was mistaken (as you admitted). I'm pretty sure that is not mature behaviour.


So I am sorry if I have caused any grief to anyone, I personally would have preferred it if people just read the incident themselves and not asked me to point out the facts, as of course the truth can hurt.

Anyway if you believe I am mistaken please feel free to point out how. Thanks!

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2012, 08:19:57 am »
Okay thanks for enlightening me. Then again it seems there have been some misunderstanding here:

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Is that the right course of action? Don't defend someone against injustice, but rather tell them off and in doing so encourage the bad actions of Yggdrasill?
First I said that because I didn't know Merlon modified his first post. He simply said 'Done' and I'm sure that 90% of people at that moment will think that he simply deleted all his reports and replaced them with 'edit'. It is completely a lack of information here. About the part where I 'told him off' and 'didn't protect him', I did that because I thought he deleted all of his posts just because of Yggy's words so I need to calm him down first before reasoning with him. Jumping at Yggy like what CroCo did there isn't my way of handling things. And I believe no injustice is made as this was more or less a misunderstanding on my part.

About the next part I agree that I did behave immaturely, but then again it is a biased view of the situation on my part.

That being said, I publicly apologize to anyone involved in the 'Bug Masterthread' incident and from now on I won't use the term 'fanboy' anymore. However there is still one final thing, if the new members don't follow the rules and ignore my warnings, I will have no choice but to dish out some other punishments instead.
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