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The future of Oelivert
« on: June 05, 2013, 01:07:48 pm »
Hey,

I would like to open this little chest at the front of me and tell the future plans of Oelivert. Right now most of the free time goes to writing a book that is based on Oelivert. I do book because it is at the moment the only way world of Oelivert survives. I've spend 1/5 of my life time already creating this massive story and with the campaign I don't earn anything. I have to start earn or I'm done for. The campaign moves slowly but surely forward. However, only main cinematics of chapter 10 will be done including the spectacular epilogue.

What about rest of the campaign? What about remake of chapter 3? Chapter 2 remake? All the interludes? Chapter 10 Elite Boss? Chapter 10 Epic Boss? Optional quests of chapter 10 and all other extra optional quests all over the campaign? We've been talking to add so many things. I even planned another custom campaign almost entirely about Uummut and his story. What about this too?

Enough years has passed and my motivation has been dying for a long time - and I've grown up. It is finally time that I start to earn from the things I've done for you. I don't ask much - just enough that I can buy food and continue this massive and thrilling story. Maybe someday this story will be very known - but there is much to do and you must help me.

I will create a custom panel where you see what can be still done for the campaign. Also there can be things you can request me to do. To these section you can donate. When enough is donated to a section, that thing will be done.

What is in your mind right now? Am I over my head?
« Last Edit: June 05, 2013, 01:22:19 pm by Aeroblyctos »

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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2013, 01:27:56 pm »
It sounds like your players' financial status will affect their experience with TCO.

If you really, really intend to do something like this, it'll probably raise some alert among the players...
« Last Edit: June 05, 2013, 01:57:13 pm by Flecky »

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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2013, 02:21:29 pm »
Great news about Uummut storyline.
About other information - does it mean that you'll for example upload a new version only after some fixed amount would be donated? Dunno if it would be effective, suppose that this forum is not so highly visited and not enough users are really active here to donate something sufficient. I think that for the first the attendance should be increased - maybe through some relocation from hiveworkshop - as far as it is about 5000 comments under the campaign there.
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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2013, 02:32:37 pm »
Yep, yep. But at least I give a chance to work more on this campaign and I don't simply fade away. If this doesn't work then what is left is the book. And if that doesn't work, then I'm pretty much done for and I will have to throw my dream to a bin - but that's life, isn't it?

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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 02:40:15 pm »
At least let me finish my questionnaire before any possible trashdown. Else I'll drive 3 hours to your apartment and bash you with my dead achievement.

Oh, yeah, /sarcasm.

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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 02:51:38 pm »
Actually it wasn't Uummut story - I have completely different story for him that I've already written.
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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 05:55:01 pm »
As much as I hate to admit it, it is your wrong choice from the beginning to do such a huge project alone.

Back to the topic at hand, I cannot donate and so is 90% of other members. Therefore if you are to convert this into pay-to-play, I am out.

I also want to relinquish my current forum position and withdraw from the team (like that even existed in the first place). I felt that you treated my JASS code with such disgusting contempt and dumped Mystic Storm's bugs on me (based on your comments around Hive) despite the fact that it wasn't my fault the code bugs as proven to you time and time again. For your information, it works flawlessly on Hive. Anyway I was really offended by how you skipped an explanation and just go with "The code sucks. It is not mine". Our bickering has reached the breaking point and that is it.

This is pretty much the last straw for me if I have to pay $$$ to have a new thing that can bug/cause other stuffs to bug. Quality must go with money. I hope you understand that.

I praise your determination as you have always stood up after falling down. Hope your dream succeeds. Peace out.

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« Last Edit: June 05, 2013, 06:05:45 pm by Doomlord »

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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 08:44:28 pm »
At least let me finish my questionnaire before any possible trashdown. Else I'll drive 3 hours to your apartment and bash you with my dead achievement.

Oh, yeah, /sarcasm.

Oh yeah, I'd like to watch this ;D.
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Ahem,

Aero, I personally think that you SHOULD get money for what you do.

That said...

Back to the topic at hand, I cannot donate and so is 90% of other members. Therefore if you are to convert this into pay-to-play, I am out.

"I am out", perhaps a little to much(for me at least) to say. I would be totally out only if for some reason I had NO time at all(not busy 99% of the time, but 100%) for a really long time(years and such), or if I suddenly got fed up with the forum ::) (which probably won't happen soon). Oh well, but I still won't donate to you until I start getting MY money, not my parents', and this will take a little longer to happen :P.

Don't expect me to donate, but your idea...I like it. Well, I like and hate it ::).

Why? Well...

1. I just can't donate, so it'll bad for me. (HATE)
2. I have a feeling that it's more effective than just ask for donate. (LIKE)

Do you know MMOs? And Ragnarok? Well, there are a lot of private servers(a.k.a pirate servers :P), whose owners get money from donations only. How? Firstly, they don't own anything to Gravity, Ragnarok maker(well, they're illegal, of course...). Then, when you donate, you get a lot of bonus things in game, like, OP items, rare items(good, but not OP) and lots of money without effort. Well, not saying that they live only with this :P, but they get money.

Your idea looks fairly similar to it. You have the campaign. Do want more? Pay for it!

I won't have more since I can't pay :'(. I also never donate to these servers if I start playing one, BUT there are people who pay. OF COURSE, there are also the "donate haters", that can't pay and get angry for not getting everything you can in the game because of it. Btw, I'm one of these people, but I'm realistic. I hate "donate", but I accept it, I think it's a good idea.

So, well, you decide what you do. I won't be against it, just don't expect me to donate anytime soon (just saying it again to make sure [-)).
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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 09:23:36 pm »
Altough i'm quite an outsider of this forum i wanted to say mine.
I really understand your will to get something out of a hours-taking years-long job. I myself spent alot of time ( well, not recently, but i did ) on projects like a personal created table Rpg, had to work for days ( some months also ) to set it over and all i got back was the fun to play it with some willing friends. I had some dream to make it perfect one day and famous. Ofcourse, after a while, for obvious problems, i dumped it all. ( This happened with about each of my projects ). ... Point is, i never dreamed about making others pay a cent more than to photocopy the papers. This is because it was a volunteer job and it couldn't really be any different, none asked me to, i started it because i liked it. The fact is, you can't really expect people who play this randomly when seeking some wc3 fun to pay for it. Of course you can try - but how much you think you are getting out of it ? it's not some online mmorpg which can be played for years without ending, everyone, even the greatest fan, will play it at the best once in a while.
What i think is that you shouldn't plan such a thing and keep up with free donations. I myself am jobless and just studying, i take many of your fans are quite the same. TCO isn't enough of the life of anyone to make people think to pay. It's fun, but not the kind of fun you pay for - i played alot of "better" games ( i.e. Planescape, BG2 like ) for free - why should i be willing to pay for this ? there you can go back to what i was saying before.
This doesn't mean you can't get nothing out of this. Just not this way - it would not be right to your fans i think. If you really wanted to get money for an rpg, then go to a gaming industry, talk about your project, make the story a real videogame. Besides, i think that if you adapt some parts of the game, you may have your chances. Make something real of it, be it a book or a stand-alone rpg. Till then, i don't think you can't get anything out of it. Like it is now, altough on wc3 we can consider it already a stand-alone in our experience.... it's still only a game concept, a sort of simulation. It will never be "real" inside wc3. No doubt people will like it and think "what a job!" but in their minds it will just be a wc3 spin-off. I wish you the best and i hope this very big concept called tco you developed will get somewhere, be it a videogame, a book or else. Just look at Dota: it never got really anywhere, from the economic point of view, till it became such a big deal for a gaming house to notice it and take it to the next level. Before, icefrog worked on it regularly to earn nothing, for years and years. And it had about 3-4 milions players already. No point in confrontating a RPG with a online MOBA now, but i think this should tell you something of how these things go. My 2 cents. Bye :)
P.S: Oh, and by the way, i think your best chances go with the book. I think TCO story and characters are too particular in the rpg scenario. You have a common trait of self-made rpg makers which is to bring a lot of unrelated thoughts inside the game. It does make the game more interesting, but i think it gives a very "easter egg feeling" which, brought to a maximum, tends to make the storytelling heavier than expected and less linear. That is more suitable for a book than a videogame ( altough it can of course be kept in smaller sizes ). I hope if you read this WoT to have given you some insights. Again, bye
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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2013, 01:27:46 am »
The basic thing is that I'm already too tired of doing the campaign. I've promised to finish the campaign and that is to finish the main story line. Other things come - if they come.

The campaign has been and always will be free to play. It's just that if you guys want to see more content in the future - I'm willing to do more but it's not anymore fun and therefore I want something as a reward.

I made this move because I'm not myself anymore interested to even continue the campaign. It is too big job for me, but I will at least finish the main story line. I'm pretty sure if my book 'success' we'll get here a lot more people and eventually this will go forward. Perhaps not right now.

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Do you know MMOs? And Ragnarok? Well, there are a lot of private servers(a.k.a pirate servers :P), whose owners get money from donations only. How? Firstly, they don't own anything to Gravity, Ragnarok maker(well, they're illegal, of course...). Then, when you donate, you get a lot of bonus things in game, like, OP items, rare items(good, but not OP) and lots of money without effort. Well, not saying that they live only with this :P, but they get money.

Your idea looks fairly similar to it. You have the campaign. Do want more? Pay for it!

Definitely not. This is like single-player DLC but you guys pay it together and once paid it will be there forever - for everyone. I would say this is a better deal than nowadays DLC system where you buy a piece of the game and then it's yours - but only yours.



I don't expect people just come here and give me money just like that. I expect we go slowly forward and when one thing has enough money then I create it. Maybe eventually people start to come here and say "Hey Aero I liked the story but it was left somewhat undone - I've enjoyed the game over the years and if I now give you few hundred dollars can you finish what happened to the Death Knights?".

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2013, 12:38:29 pm »
Ah, that's true, I didn't think about. Well, in that case your project will fall down, because most people will only: "Hum...if I wait a little, perhaps someone will donate and I'll can play the game with the new things! Besides, I won't need to pay anything at all! I'm such a genius."

Oh well, another thing that I forgot to talk about is that, even if the forum is not that active, you have quite some fans. The problem is that most don't want to post anything or don't even want to register a account. We don't know, but perhaps there are some people who would actually pay if you really make this system. Well, that's just a guess.
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Re: The future of Oelivert
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2013, 01:51:37 pm »
"Hum...if I wait a little, perhaps someone will donate and I'll can play the game with the new things! Besides, I won't need to pay anything at all! I'm such a genius."

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 02:10:13 pm »
As much as I hate to admit it, it is your wrong choice from the beginning to do such a huge project alone.

Back to the topic at hand, I cannot donate and so is 90% of other members. Therefore if you are to convert this into pay-to-play, I am out.

I also want to relinquish my current forum position and withdraw from the team (like that even existed in the first place). I felt that you treated my JASS code with such disgusting contempt and dumped Mystic Storm's bugs on me (based on your comments around Hive) despite the fact that it wasn't my fault the code bugs as proven to you time and time again. For your information, it works flawlessly on Hive. Anyway I was really offended by how you skipped an explanation and just go with "The code sucks. It is not mine". Our bickering has reached the breaking point and that is it.

This is pretty much the last straw for me if I have to pay $$$ to have a new thing that can bug/cause other stuffs to bug. Quality must go with money. I hope you understand that.

I praise your determination as you have always stood up after falling down. Hope your dream succeeds. Peace out.

Doomlord

I wish that you are not so serious about it, man. I've started the campaign with your walkthrough and item-list, it made me really interesting to re-go the campaign with full-set of possible items and quests. After it I've done it in every possible version posted.
Man, you are a forum-guru and for sure you are a valuable person for this site.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 03:14:08 pm »
Man, you are a forum-guru and for sure you are a valuable person for this site.

I agree DoomLord. I've been in the shadows, haven't posted much, yet, I recognize your tribute to this campaign.

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2013, 05:47:46 pm »
"Hum...if I wait a little, perhaps someone will donate and I'll can play the game with the new things! Besides, I won't need to pay anything at all! I'm such a genius."

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