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Tell us about the book!
« on: June 05, 2013, 05:45:18 pm »
Man, tell us more about the book. I was thinking and I have some questions, maybe, if you haven't thought about some of it yet, this is a good time. So I was thinking, in which order did you come up with the idea of creating Oeliviert and the idea of making a campaign? Was it like "Hey, I'm gonna invent a story. Okay, I'm done. Wow, this game is great, I'll make a campaign with my story in it", or was it like "Wow, this game is great. I should make a campaign - let's be straight, everyone knows I'm awesome at it. Now I only need my own story." Becouse if it was the first one - awesome. It was like "I wanna have bear-men and winged vampires in the basement in my story. Oh, this game has such things - good, I don't have to make my own units.". Otherwise, it was like "Hm, this game has bear-men, I should adapt them to my story, only change the name and voila." What I mean is, if you made up your own creatures and created their appereance in your mind, then the idea is yours alone and you can freely put it in the book. But if you decided, that there would be Kazas in the story only becouse you wanted to see Fulborgs in your campaign - well, it looks a little like a plagiarism.

Another thing is the climate in your world. Warcraft III was actually meant to be funny and cute. Ogres with two heads - like two separate brains and only one body, you can't not laugh. Those friendly, green skinned orcs, the grotesque dread lords and ghouls, and Doom Lords and their beards, oh my god. And Fulborgs, meant to be loved by children. Oeliviert doesn't seem anything alike. Dragons taken directly from Neverwinter Nights, enslaving men for millenias, world dying with each passing day, damn cold mountains, where no life can persist. If you thought about Oeliviert only as a setting for a campaign based on Warcraft rules, then you surely must have something else in your mind, when thinking about the book. Do Kazas still looke like Fulborgs in your mind? Do Maraudar Clansmen still have that grotesque green skin and look like Black Rock worlocks? Does Galeoth realy have that paladin head attached to Kael's body?

You surely must see what I have in mind. So which was first, the story, or the campaign? In the book, is Phodom going to finally have a face? I must admit, he is awesome, becouse he has no head. After 7 great chapters, no face would fit to that badass motherfucker. After 7 chapters he is in every of our minds only an utterly awesome walking, talking armour! If you ever describe Phodom's head in the book, you're gonna ruin it for everybody. Thinking of a first-person narration would be a good choice.

Well, we have seen a peasant, but that really isn't what we think about while thinking about Phodom - especially that his armour is twice as big at the man we see at the beginning.

Or maybe the book is going to be a totally different story? No Phodom, no Galeoth, no Balgaron? Well, the campaign story in it's present form is a no material for a book. However, when I think about Oeliviert, I only think of that walking armour. Without it, the book is gonna be nothing. We surely don't want to read about some Damanthe or some other minor looser - we only wan't Phodom. Well, at least I do.

Will there be a lot of history, culture and geography in the book? Man, I love those things in fantasy! When I play Dragon Age, I can't stop reading and listening about Minrathus, the Qunari, first plauge, Arlathan, that's the most interesting part of the game. I surely would love to read about that kind of stuff about Oeliviert. From the campaign we don't really know anything about the world.

Last one - that I remember.  Do you have a publisher? I'm not gonna read it in Finnish, but I'd read it if translated to polish or english. Although it would suck, that I couldn't read the original language - many emotions and style nuances are usually lost while translating a book.


Well, I hope I haven't offended you.

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Re: Tell us about the book!
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2013, 07:25:51 pm »
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Dragons taken directly from Neverwinter Nights
You mean Dungeons and Dragons?
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Or maybe the book is going to be a totally different story? No Phodom, no Galeoth, no Balgaron?
The book is meant to be either a sequel to TCO, or a completely new story, which either way won't feature Phodom, Fradz, or Galeoth.
Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.

Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.

Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.

Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
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Re: Tell us about the book!
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2013, 02:19:16 am »
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Man, tell us more about the book. I was thinking and I have some questions, maybe, if you haven't thought about some of it yet, this is a good time. So I was thinking, in which order did you come up with the idea of creating Oeliviert and the idea of making a campaign? Was it like "Hey, I'm gonna invent a story. Okay, I'm done. Wow, this game is great, I'll make a campaign with my story in it", or was it like "Wow, this game is great. I should make a campaign - let's be straight, everyone knows I'm awesome at it. Now I only need my own story." Becouse if it was the first one - awesome. It was like "I wanna have bear-men and winged vampires in the basement in my story. Oh, this game has such things - good, I don't have to make my own units.". Otherwise, it was like "Hm, this game has bear-men, I should adapt them to my story, only change the name and voila." What I mean is, if you made up your own creatures and created their appereance in your mind, then the idea is yours alone and you can freely put it in the book. But if you decided, that there would be Kazas in the story only becouse you wanted to see Fulborgs in your campaign - well, it looks a little like a plagiarism.

Actually it is the second thing. That is why the story of TCO is such an abomination and I had to remake it over and over again. There are many weak points in the campaign. Also I've always been limited to Wc3 resources entire time which made me to do some hard choices.  It was fun to do so - but it has made me tired. If I ever would do another campaign, I would plan in entirely before starting to create one. I've been now planning the book 3 years but last 10 months I have been very active. I haven't really started writing it yet - just there and there.

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Another thing is the climate in your world. Warcraft III was actually meant to be funny and cute. Ogres with two heads - like two separate brains and only one body, you can't not laugh. Those friendly, green skinned orcs, the grotesque dread lords and ghouls, and Doom Lords and their beards, oh my god. And Fulborgs, meant to be loved by children. Oeliviert doesn't seem anything alike. Dragons taken directly from Neverwinter Nights, enslaving men for millenias, world dying with each passing day, damn cold mountains, where no life can persist. If you thought about Oeliviert only as a setting for a campaign based on Warcraft rules, then you surely must have something else in your mind, when thinking about the book. Do Kazas still looke like Fulborgs in your mind? Do Maraudar Clansmen still have that grotesque green skin and look like Black Rock worlocks? Does Galeoth realy have that paladin head attached to Kael's body?

Last months the story has gone really forward and I've been thinking and doing the background story at a huge speed. Yes there still will other beings that are not humans and can talk. In the book you'll meet Nazes(trolls) pretty early and, the main character challenges one to duel - and loses. You'll also meet Kazas(furbolgs) very late of the story(same Kazas as in chapter 5) when already the group is almost in their destination.

Of course I will tweak the beings and characters to way I like. But character like Fradz, Galeoth, Tharo, Xanophin, king of Balgaron and many more will be seen at this story. For example Fradz offers the group some free beers - as he just won a tournament at Saoloth.

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You surely must see what I have in mind. So which was first, the story, or the campaign? In the book, is Phodom going to finally have a face? I must admit, he is awesome, becouse he has no head. After 7 great chapters, no face would fit to that badass motherfucker. After 7 chapters he is in every of our minds only an utterly awesome walking, talking armour! If you ever describe Phodom's head in the book, you're gonna ruin it for everybody. Thinking of a first-person narration would be a good choice.

I'm not sure if Phodom will be seen at first book because at this point he's living with his family at Dalli. (the book is 3 years before TCO and the second book continues the story of TCO) But he'll be definitely seen later in the books - and you'll eventually know why. Maybe I could make it like Phodom's face is never shown - but in the very end.

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Or maybe the book is going to be a totally different story? No Phodom, no Galeoth, no Balgaron? Well, the campaign story in it's present form is a no material for a book. However, when I think about Oeliviert, I only think of that walking armour. Without it, the book is gonna be nothing. We surely don't want to read about some Damanthe or some other minor looser - we only wan't Phodom. Well, at least I do.

First of all, we must remember that the first book is like an introduction to world of Oelivert. Basic elements will be told like how magic will work, what nations are there, what beings and so on, etc, etc. Also characters from the campaign are actually side characters - well expect for Tharo but he will come later. But indeed the final destination is Balgaron and Terdoom Castle - where the boy will be trained to a Dragon Slayer and complete his training as an Othodom. We won't see much of Phodom if not all at this point - but I sure you that he will be one of the key characters in the story in a good or bad way.

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Will there be a lot of history, culture and geography in the book? Man, I love those things in fantasy! When I play Dragon Age, I can't stop reading and listening about Minrathus, the Qunari, first plauge, Arlathan, that's the most interesting part of the game. I surely would love to read about that kind of stuff about Oeliviert. From the campaign we don't really know anything about the world.

Definitely. With help of my friend we will draw two maps where the characters travels. Also I've been studying things like democracy, socialism and different dictatorships. Unlike other stories, the nations are build different ways and have thousand of years history. For example Balgaron is a kingdom, but Saoloth is somewhat a socialism type of country not to mention popags who are more than a socialism country who even share their babies - there are no mothers or fathers. The group will eventually go to one city of popags, deep underground.

TCO story is so narrow and tells only things from perspective of Balgaron. There are many nations that hasn't even cared about the dragons(mostly because they never needed to fight against them). There are nations who fight against each other, there are nations who are ruled by the dragons. TCO is just so small compared to what I've in my mind right now. But everything in the end leads to dragons, Zhyons and some very strong characters.

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Last one - that I remember.  Do you have a publisher? I'm not gonna read it in Finnish, but I'd read it if translated to polish or english. Although it would suck, that I couldn't read the original language - many emotions and style nuances are usually lost while translating a book.

First I focus on writing and inventing the book.
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Re: Tell us about the book!
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2013, 05:59:15 am »
Only the toughest part IS to find a good publisher; that's when you know your book will actually have some potential in this sort of business.

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Re: Tell us about the book!
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2013, 06:04:05 am »
Yep, yep.

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot that it's enjoying answer to these questions. More, more.
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Re: Tell us about the book!
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2013, 01:32:50 pm »
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Dragons taken directly from Neverwinter Nights
You mean Dungeons and Dragons?

No, I meant that how they look, animations, models and textures are from Neverwinter Nights. Taloon and Yurgimar are from NWN 1 and Xvareon is from NWN 2. I only made it to chapter 7, no spoilers...

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Re: Tell us about the book!
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2013, 06:46:34 am »
Yes, yes. I'm very limited with these things.

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Re: Tell us about the book!
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2013, 08:43:31 am »
Aero, what about your book current progress?
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