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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2013, 12:22:30 pm »
as i said, mathematically, crit damage is the best thing to increase DPS. if i have fradz who deals 30K crits and use his flash strike and sword dance to passively increase my attackspeed, i have more dps than you if you go for attackspeed and other stuff.

and you can get some items that push your damage aswell as your hp like jade set and blooddrinker and others i probably forgot about.

well ofcourse fradz still gets 1 or 2-hitted by big bosses from later levels, but what do you have galeoth' seal of ressurection and combat king ressurection for? just dont die more than twice and its fine. or use sunrise set if neccessary.

also what i like to do is this: i get all pieces of sunrise set but dont combine them and keep one of the pieces in my heros inventory. the moment he dies and its passive gets procced, i put it back into the chest and get another sunrise piece. this way you basically have exactly one revive every 60 seconds because their cooldown DOES count down while in boxes. if you combine that with combatking ressurection and galeoth rune, you can endlessly die and dont give a ****. its very effective for full-dps builds.
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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2013, 05:22:33 am »
also what i like to do is this: i get all pieces of sunrise set but dont combine them and keep one of the pieces in my heros inventory. the moment he dies and its passive gets procced, i put it back into the chest and get another sunrise piece. this way you basically have exactly one revive every 60 seconds because their cooldown DOES count down while in boxes. if you combine that with combatking ressurection and galeoth rune, you can endlessly die and dont give a ****. its very effective for full-dps builds.
Sounds like a **** tactic.

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2013, 06:35:17 am »
Is the critical strike worth to gain?

I was probably thinking to improve the system by adding 'the chance' too, but hmm.

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2013, 07:31:08 pm »
Yeah it's worth it if one plans to stack up alot of critical dmg. What is the "chance" thing?

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2013, 09:24:32 pm »
im assuming its the chance to actually PERFORM a critical strike.

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2013, 06:57:45 am »
Oohh I see. I think you can include critical chance in the game and allow us to increase that through items and abilities.

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2013, 02:29:07 pm »
Bonjour!!

I thought i might throw this crit into consideration!

Cordialement,

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2013, 06:02:53 am »
Well, I'm relieved that the basic attacks can after all fight against magic damages.

But I still wonder, how many times you can deal more damage with magic damage than basic attacks?

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2013, 10:13:34 am »
This Fradz was only built for dps and lifesteal and it worked well only because i was able to use ALL my flowers for pots of power...
Even still, phodom's spell can double that dmg easily... My next strat would be to build a magic dmg heavy phodom and use all my flowers for pots of magic. If you ask me, magic dmg >>> physical dmg and I think Hamza showed it in his video against Gaomdo.
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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2013, 06:05:56 am »
But if you do such a high crits very often does it make you deal more damage with basic attacks than abilities?

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2013, 04:19:23 am »
Hey there; just finished 1.9a today and have been having some thoughts about what needs to be done. I find Galeoth and Phodom pulling very much further ahead in terms of DPS and utility than Fradz.

Galoeth because of his insane stuns, he is ranged (allowing to dodge those pesky high DPS boss spells), and he has over 15k spell damage; and i swear this is true, each time i cast a spell it does the damage twice (look at what I posted in bug section).

Phodom because unless i find myself instantly OHKOED, i will never die. The combination of the Jade,Azureus,Maximillian divine and ridiculously high health regen ensures i can just leave Phodom AAing bosses all day long whilst his health remains >75%. His spells do alot of damage and his DoT skills simply are superb, his Phodom Set + the Fire Aura ensure constant damage as long as you can stay alive and close (which he can).

My fradz has great crit damage and very high dodge chance (and basically like 100% lifesteal); but a low health pool (around 8-9k) and can be bursted easily. Furthermore, physical damage seems to have fallen off by this time in the game due to powerful AoE nukes centered on the bosses location meaning squishy melees get blown away and armor values reduce this damage drastically (i crit for around 12k i think).

To counter this i propose the following item  :

Name: Shaidicar
Stats:
+500 Dmg
+1500 Hp
+50% Crit Dmg
+ 15% Evasion
+50 MS
+20% AS

In Description: Each attacks deals (AGIx2) damage. Everytime the hero dodges an attack or critically strikes the hero retaliates by performing a whirlwind AoE attack which deals the heroes critical strike damage in a medium Aoe around him, this has a cooldown of 1 second.

Active: The hero summons the great energies of this blade throughout them; this energy gathers for four seconds then the hero performs an immensely powerful singular strike against the target (Attack Damage x 500%) (so basically this performs a 5x crit) which cuts straight through armor (unaffected by reduction). Has a 45 second cooldown and each auto attack reduces by one second.

tldr:
Magic damage starts off far weaker imo but as soon as you hit act 7 epic boss and beyond, galeoth becomes WAYYYYYY OP (see gilmax+starting ice stone+stacked greater magic balls)

On all my 6 playthroughs Fradz starts off as the highest source of constant DPS but come late game although my lifesteal high crit damage build is good and geared; magic damage becomes way better because Fradz is melee and canbe instagibbed before lifesteal helps; note armor reductions to physical dmg increase (higher values it seems) magic i dont think so.

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2013, 02:03:33 pm »
But if you do such a high crits very often does it make you deal more damage with basic attacks than abilities?

Well...  Sword dancing [with the buff from the third fire spell from the spellbook and Phodom's roar] would ensure Fradz would deal that much physical dps. Criting while using flash strike was very convincing too. In other words, Fradz needs abilities to buff his ? basic attacks ?.

I dont think it is possible however to crit for that high without spending all your flowers into pots of powers (which I did). And that requiers you to waste alot of money in flowers garden to get your alchemy levels. If you look at the screenshot, his basic attacks were way beyond normal and that is the reason.

I hope my answer fits your interrogation.
Cordialement,
John
« Last Edit: April 22, 2013, 02:08:17 pm by John.Hapax »

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2013, 03:23:12 am »
To Phasekill:

I get your point: Fradz is the weakest. But I don't think a simple item will fix the balance. There have to be something else. I have created few abilitiies to help Fradz's survival for the next version. But I don't think that's still enough. Ideas?


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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2013, 06:56:15 am »
Magic damage has to nerfed, either the amount of greater magic balls you can stack has to be reduced OR bosses (especially elite/epic) have to have maybe 10-20% innate magic resistance.
From memory, if the full 8 waves of my ultimate hit, i would deal 320 thousand magic damage. Each wave dealt 40k.
Ah yes, good point. Fradz abilities do STARTLING LITTLE damage compared to any other characters spell in the late game (early game it rox the sox). I barely feel his spells doing anything so i just leave him on sword dance throughout a fight.
Maybe one or two powerful defensive spells would benefit him, allowing his transition into late game to be stronger. Something both offensive and defensive at the same time to keep within his character. Maybe like he breaks up into small lightning balls (becoming invulnerable but they are uncontrollable doing good damage around them).

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Re: What's your best critical hit damage?
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2013, 08:28:12 am »
I think the new critical system will make some changes. Also ability damages are a little bit differently calculated.