Author Topic: Things you would like to know about Dragon Slayer organisation (SPOILER)  (Read 690 times)

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Things you would like to know about Dragon Slayer organization.

I was thinking to little more expand the information about this organization.

Right now these are told:

- Ranks

That's it. :D

So ideas please.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2013, 07:39:49 am by Aeroblyctos »

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actually since only this little is known about dragon slayers, i always felt like dragon slayers are not an organization but rather just strong guys being able to fight dragons because of their special nature.
i mean sure, in some chapter some guard saith hes a dragonslayer soon and that hints at them being some sort of order, but that just doesnt feel right to me.

for example, somewhere in this forum someone said something about the anime/manga fairy tail. do you know it? in that manga, dragon slayers are people who mastered magic that was created to slay dragons, long ago, in the dragon wars (sounds familiar?). so basically everyone who can learn that magic is a dragon slayer, but they are not some kind of order and not all dragon slayers fight on the same side. also, dragonslayer magic is the same "style" of magic that real dragons use, so dragons can actually teach dragonslayer magic to humans. at least, thats how it works in fairy tail and to be honest, even though i only watched fairy tail after i played TCO, thats exactly how i imagined it in TCO aswell.

the ranks on the other hand are assigned by the military or king of belgaron, so thats where they connect to the kingdom, but not by being dragonslayers naturally. means, if some guy in the woods is super strong and kills dragons, hes a dragonslayer even though he doesnt belong to the belgaron military. get my point? a dragonslayer is someone who is courageous and strong enough to face dragons head on, not some dully who goes through some kind of military training.

actually you can learn everything about dragon slayers just by looking at tharo. hes the essence of a dragon slayer. you cant **** with him, you cant even CLICK on him without him killing you. hes strong, hes wild and he doesnt give a ****. why is he a dragon slayer? because he slays dragons, not because hes in the military, he probably wasnt even in the military to begin with, but was only placed in a high rank because of his power.

the rank of a dragon slayer may be assigned through politics, but being a dragon slayer can never be assigned by anyone but yourself through slaying a dragon. thats how it works.
hence if there are no dragons to fight, you aint becoming no dragon slayer. you aint not joining no dragon slayer order. you aint not caught up in dragon slayer politics. why not? because youre not a damn dragon slayer without having a god damn dragon head on your chimney!

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okay that was just me bragging about dragon slayers but not answering your question. what you could tell about them you ask. well, as i see it, the only thing that makes them really recognizeable is the battles they fought in the war. im not sure as of to tell more stories about the battles and the war, since all we are getting told is interesting but scarce. if you'd tell more, you'd probably destroy the "legend" feeling about the war.

right now, what we know about dragon slayers is that they are badass, do we need to know more? sure i want to know which dragons phodom slew and what kind of battle it was, and i want to know where tharo got elexorien from and why hes so **** strong, but would it be good if i knew? aint i so in love with tharo because i DONT know? because i can imagine it myself?

thats what i think. if you create something really cool, leave it at that without explaining WHY its all so cool.

as always i have an example. do/did you watch the naruto anime or read the manga? personally i dont like it very much, but what i do like is the character itachi. holy **** is he badass and nobody really knows why. he killed his own family and all of his clan and only spared his little brother and there are tons of theorys from all sorts of characters about why he did what and how he became so **** strong, and when everything is being explained it the end, it sucks so hard you want to invent a time machine and go back to the day you started watching this bullshlt anime and throw your computer out the window.

media, especially games, is not made to substitute the human fantasy but rather to draw it out. the more you can make people imagine a lot while only giving them little, the better you are. and i think thats exactly what TCO does right now, holy **** am i imagining alot here.



PS: btw one question: in older versions, at the beginning of every chapter, you had that legend of dragoon title screen music, right? you probably removed it due to loading times, but if you put that back in again, i'd gladly load a few seconds longer for it.


PS2: i just remembered that this noc'thoria guy founded a dragon slayer organization, but to me thats more of a place where strong people gather instead of a place where strong people are made.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2013, 11:29:30 am by CoNteMpT »
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so basically everyone who can learn that magic is a dragon slayer
Everyone can learn how to use magic.

but they are not some kind of order and not all dragon slayers fight on the same side.
But in Oelivert they do. Or suppose to do.

the ranks on the other hand are assigned by the military or king of belgaron, so thats where they connect to the kingdom, but not by being dragonslayers naturally. means, if some guy in the woods is super strong and kills dragons, hes a dragonslayer even though he doesnt belong to the belgaron military
Nope, there are other organizations too which are meant to kill dragons. Dragon Slayers are Balgaron's and most famous and most powerful organization. For example Saoloth has Dragon Knights. However, not all nations fight against dragons, we have to remember that.

actually you can learn everything about dragon slayers just by looking at tharo. hes the essence of a dragon slayer. you cant **** with him, you cant even CLICK on him without him killing you. hes strong, hes wild and he doesnt give a ****. why is he a dragon slayer? because he slays dragons, not because hes in the military, he probably wasnt even in the military to begin with, but was only placed in a high rank because of his power.
He's a dragon slayer because he wants to keep the balance in Oelivert. He's simply the only one on Balgaron who actually can match with powers to supreme powerful dragons like Xvareon. There's much more about this character than that.

the rank of a dragon slayer may be assigned through politics, but being a dragon slayer can never be assigned by anyone but yourself through slaying a dragon. thats how it works.
hence if there are no dragons to fight, you aint becoming no dragon slayer. you aint not joining no dragon slayer order. you aint not caught up in dragon slayer politics. why not? because youre not a damn dragon slayer without having a god damn dragon head on your chimney!
After the war the name didn't mean anymore what it used to be because there was no dragons to fight against.

sure i want to know which dragons phodom slew and what kind of battle it was, and i want to know where tharo got elexorien from and why hes so **** strong, but would it be good if i knew?
He got his sword from his father who left the dragon slayers long time ago. Everything in the end points to Zeemnan who I haven't told much about. This is quote from interlude 1:

X = Xvareon
Z = Zarxof

X: How is the plan progressing?
Z: The plan is going along well and we have eliminated many Dragon Slayers. There are some unexpected problems however.
X: Did Zeemnan appear?
Z: No, not yet.
X: What is the problem then?
Z: There are some very powerful Dragon Slayers who just simply cannot be killed.
X: And who would they be?
Z: Some high ranked Dragon Slayers and wizards from Magic Guild.
X: As long as Zeemnan doesn?t appear things should go well.

aint i so in love with tharo because i DONT know? because i can imagine it myself?
You're in love with someone you know nothing about. There are just small hints all over the campaign what truly Tharo is.

as always i have an example. do/did you watch the naruto anime or read the manga? personally i dont like it very much, but what i do like is the character itachi. holy **** is he badass and nobody really knows why. he killed his own family and all of his clan and only spared his little brother and there are tons of theorys from all sorts of characters about why he did what and how he became so **** strong, and when everything is being explained it the end, it sucks so hard you want to invent a time machine and go back to the day you started watching this bullshlt anime and throw your computer out the window.
Yes, I know the story. Tharo is something like that, but so is Zeemnan. Quote from chapter 10;

X = Xvareon
G = Galeoth

X: I see. Well, Galeoth. Please introduce your fellow companions at least.
G: No.
X: Can I guess then? Lately I been investigating some of you. I am searching for someone specific inside your kingdom... I may even know these two.
G: Tharo!?
X: Oh yes, but that is for another case.
G: So you are plotting with him!
X: Am I? Perhaps...

And if I can spoil you a little:

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media, especially games, is not made to substitute the human fantasy but rather to draw it out. the more you can make people imagine a lot while only giving them little, the better you are. and i think thats exactly what TCO does right now, holy **** am i imagining alot here.

Indeed. But there are explanations for all of this. I've been inventing this story for 5 years. This story is not a simple bad vs good or dark vs light story. Everyone has secrets. Even those who looks like they would never be good guys. And those who look like they are bad guys but are in the end doing things for a greater good. These are words from Zylcious to Yardeniox(Talloon, chapter 10):

"And do you honestly believe Yardeniox 'wise words' and kindness? Do you really believe he is so kind he would travel all around Oelivert for hundred of years just to find a way to make all of us live in peace?
That is not true. That cannot be true.
He is a lie himself.
Like all dragons, he has been using all these years to to do things for his own good.
We are in the end all the same; we aim for the exact same goal. The difference is just the method.
One thing I am sure. The one finds the way first will decide the fate of others.
We will eventually become what we used to be in the beginning. There is nothing that can stop us."

-> It is up to you who will you believe, as the there are millions of options what can happen and what are the goals of the characters.

PS: btw one question: in older versions, at the beginning of every chapter, you had that legend of dragoon title screen music, right? you probably removed it due to loading times, but if you put that back in again, i'd gladly load a few seconds longer for it.

Yes well it doesn't work as the loading at the beginning makes it bug nowadays.

***The dialogs I showed up are not final and may change but the meaning stays in a way or another.
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"You're in love with someone you know nothing about. There are just small hints all over the campaign what truly Tharo is."

exactly what i said. its the mystery i love.

thats also true to the other characters. characters are loveable because you know SOMETHING about them but not everything, so the heavier and fewer the little things are, the more interesting a character becomes. tharo for example. hes perfect.

the problem arrises when you try to tell the backstory of a really cool character (like itachi or tharo) and then just make complete predictable smoochy-poochy nonsense out of it (like itachi). sure i dont expect you to do so, but after all, the less the player is told about the big secrets, the more he can imagine.

for example, did you watch LOST, the TV show?
its all very mystical and **** and you theorize years about whats going on since its really well made and you only get information bit by bit but you always get more mystery than information so all the questions pile up endlessly and that is actually a really really good thing since every question makes sense by itself somehow so that you dont need the "true" answer to find it good but your own suspicions and fantasies are enough.
LOST has 6 seasons and in season 5 they started to reveal the plot more and more, and the more they told us about the background and ****, the worse it has gotten. season 6 was so bad that i and many other lost fans rather wanted their lifetime back than to have watched it.

so what im saying is: dont take away the imaginations of the players when revealing big secrets. its a thin line to walk but since you seemingly played legend of dragoon, you should know your business ; )
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