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About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« on: March 31, 2012, 07:48:51 pm »
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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2012, 03:48:31 am »
Hi, I find some of your points really interesting.

Personally I think it's most likely that the King is responsible for promoting the dragon slayers.
To the meaning of their ranks, I would offer the following perspective:
Dragon Slayers are a group of Elite Fighters, there is a Basic Training, which makes them a Rank 1 Dragon Slayer. From there on, they start accepting missions and fighting against different evil creatures.
If the take part in some especially hard fights and gather enough reputation, the king will eventually decide to honor them, by promoting them. So the Rank of a Dragon Slayer displays not only his strength and experience, but also the number of his great deeds.
If you look at it this way, you can easily explain different ranks.
Galeoth: He is the oldest and fought in the war with the dragons for many years. In this time there were many battles, to gain reputation in. Furthermore is he the son of a legendary Dragon Slayer, Vandart. So Galeoth had enough time and through his father good opportunities to earn himself promotions, until he became a fith ranked Dragon Slayer.

Phodom: He is much younger than Galeoth and only fought in the last years of the war with the dragons. So it is safe to assume, that he had not half as many chances, to win himself reputation within the kindom. Despite of this, he became famous for his kind heart and his willigness to protect the innocent. It was this attributes that made him famous and if he had not left the Dragon Slayers to become a farmer, he would have had the potential to become a fith ranked dragon Slayer too.
In my oppinion this rank is a result of timing (he only joined the war, when the greatest battles had already been fought) and his kindness, which made him retire almost immediately after the war.

Fradz: He is the youngest, and I doubt, that he could fight a lot during the war. He must have been a very young man back there. Nevertheless he is a third ranked, which implies, that he has already proven to be quite capable. Personally I assume, that his low rank is more due to his childish and disrespecting behaviour combined with his youth, than to the fact, that he is no match for Dragon Slayers like Galeoth of Phodeom.


However Aero stated in his story Thread that the rank of Dragon Slayers is directly linked to their respective powers.
If this were the case, Fradz is definitly wrong ranked. Additionally some aspects of the campaign do not fit into this image:

--> Why does Phodom say about a only 3rd ranked Dragon Slayer: "A better Dragon Slayer would be hard to find" (this would implie there are only a very few higher ranked Dragon Slayers)

--> Why does the king call them his best dragon Slayer team ? From what we have seen, Tharo alone is by far stronger than this "team", although Galeoth is a 5th ranked Dragon Slayer just like him.
Alfred is a 4th ranked Dragon Slayer. Means he is significantly stronger than Fradz.

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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2012, 04:38:13 am »
OK  ,here's my review of dragon slayer ranks.

Rank 1-
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Rank 5-
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That beeing said , you're kinda right.In my opinion fradz has the necesary speed to be a 5th rank , and galeoth masters only arcane and ice magic , without a knowledge about some other element , so he deserves rank 4th , and phodom's weaponarry is no that legendary so he is good at 4th rank.

Why they don't have that title?Well a dragon slayer of rank 4 or 5 must know the rights of a captain , of a leader, so he has responsabilities not only for himself , but for a whole team.That thing cannot compete with fradz.He is way to reckless to care about anyone else then himself

And galeoth is rank 5 merely because of the influence (you were talking about) that his father , Vandart , left before he died.People wach him and say "Lol that's the son of vandart who could move a whole mountain with just a finger omg , he must be a 5th rank dragonslayer"


So that's kinda it i guess

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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2012, 08:07:54 am »
It makes sense if you compare fradz with tharo, their power differences are enormous, so i think fradz shouldn't be a 5th ranked, a 4th ranked maybe. What did you mean by delicate skills of shadow? Fradz can become invisible, but i don't think it's a "delicate skill of shadow" (considerating him like a 4th ranked).
I think Phodom is more strong than we think, but not strong enough to be a 5th ranked...
Galeoth maybe can't control another element(and i still angry how could a ice mage almost freeze to death)but galeoth manipulates water and ice with a ability that is far stronger than many magics in game, (i still don't know from where the magic hammer came from though), i don't know if ice and water are the same element, but still we can't say for sure that just because you mastered a element it'll now unlock a new element (yes, i think you're wrong about this black).

Another thinks we have to considerate are the exceptions:
-Tharo is a exception of exceptions, he's just too strong and to mysterious
-Fradz has a far more potential than Tharo(because of ... Fradz), but he still not that strong(yet very strong)
-I think Phodom may be a exception too, maybe he's stronger than many 4th ranked, but yet weaker than 5th ranked.
-In my opinion, Galeoth isn't thaaat strong considering he's a 5th ranked, of course he's stronger than any dragon slayer under him(theorically), but i think as a 5th ranked he is kind of weak.

Another observations:
-The difference between a 3rd -> 4th looks like enormous, and 4th -> 5th, looks like even bigger(of course the execeptions may break these rules)
-Galeoth is more famous than strong(like you guys said) and he's friendship with the king maybe turned him into a 5th ranked more easily(although he deserves it)to make his dragon research easily



another thing, if you consider the Black's review(that i really liked) there's no
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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2012, 08:16:57 am »
@Shino: If you have read the mange 'Fairy Tail' you will know where the hammer comes from. Basically Galeoth 'alchemizes' ice to create a hammer.

 

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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2012, 08:28:25 am »
Fairy Tail? Do you mean the anime?
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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 09:44:42 am »
After Storm: Does it need to contribute to anything? It's just a off topic thread  ???
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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2012, 10:34:06 am »
This is a story related theme so I'll move the thread to the right place.

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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 10:34:53 am »
Well, this looks fun. May as well say my 2 cents (or 1 cent, I'm running out of money these days). I guess I'll list it in a couple ways, what kind of soldier they are and their type of understanding and also they're standing in a military hierarchy.

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5th Rank-
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That's what I think it goes like for the ranks. Also, for Fradz's case, I think that he is not a 4th Rank only because of the way he acts. He certainly has the skill to become one, just not the attitude. 4th Rankers have to be leaders, and Fradz just can't be one with the way he acts.
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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2012, 10:51:29 am »
Wow, people really read that  ;)

I guess that the common sense would really say that the difference between a 4th ranked and a 5th ranked are huge, and I really agree with that.

My point is the deservance, as you saw. I mean, Phodom IS really strong. Who says he is not as strong as a 5th ranked ? Galeoth shows him some respect, and Galeoth is far too proud to really show that to anyone.

@Aero, what had Galeoth really done ? He really slayed Dragons alone and stuff of this kind ? Apart from his high knowledge, he does not seem that strong. Well, he beaten a sper, and that's much...

Prospero (at chapter 4) is a 4th ranked, right ? I think Fradz and Phodom are far and far stronger than him.

But if it's the king (and not some other people) who promotes the Dragon Slayer to a upper rank, than it's understandable.


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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2012, 11:05:36 am »
Phodom may be strong gameplay wise, but ranks shouldn't be reflected on gameplay according to Aero. Also, Phodom hasn't done enough to be recognized as a 5th rank even though he may have been close. He withdrew from service after the war and therefore had stayed at 4th rank. He shouldn't be that far from 5th though, but I still think he still needs a few more monumental things to become one.

Galeoth has actually done a lot. Besides being one of the strongest wizards he is also very tactically knowledgeable. Not only that but (may be a spoiler but probably not, just talking about his lineage that everyone finds out)
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Because of that reason, he was well qualified and trained to be a 5th rank dragon slayer. There's also things that Galeoth did that may not have been explained yet to shoot him to 5th rank level, but I still think he deserves his rank.

Phodom should also be 4th rank because he's kind of worthy, but then again, not quite there yet. If he had more years and time of active service and participated in a lot more missions, he could have gone there. He didn't though. He also could have gotten 4th rank not too long ago during the war so he couldn't really jump that fast for 5th rank, maybe he just needed more time. That's my reasoning behind all this here.
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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2012, 12:33:31 pm »
Greetings,

So this is the "Late Night Show with Lucas".
This is like the scenes in Naruto when the fools try to explain things to other fools that cannot understand /cannot accept the things.

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Re: About Dragon Slayers and Ranks
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2012, 01:00:19 pm »
                                             The reasons of why the main dragon slayers
                                                          of the story are ranked the
                                                                way they are ranked

Phodom is , without doubt an amazing warrior.He aquiered the title of the protector due to his fighting skills.Nonetheless , his magic is under his supreme control , and he can manipulate fire like you manipulate your eye.He desevres rank 4 without doubt.Why not rank 5?Because , like I mentioned before(and like killa dezvolted)  to be 5h rank you must be godlike , superhuman,  with a power beyond the conception and imagination of a simple solider.We all know tharo's power ,and we know his speed  and magic matches the godlike nature.

Galeoth is strong , but whatever you say he is not even a shadow of a half of a quarter of Tharo.But his father was , he may have been even stronger then Tharo.That builded him reputation and influence over Olivert.Even after he died he was known by nearly everyone , and as well as they've known the father , so they've known the son.Galeoth was somehow helped by what Vandart left after his death.

Now let's be honest , Fradz is no match for Tharo.Maybe with intense training and years of practicing , he may come to equal him , but not to surpass him.Fradz potential is large , but he cannot unlock what he barely knows about.Imagine if FTD
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gave Fradz all his power and knowledge over...everything.That would make fradz a unstopable combination.Fradz cannot become 4h rank because his capacities are not enaugh to have a team on his back, he barely takes care of himself.

Our 3 dragonslayers are all strong , in my tongue , equal.A lot of you used to think that Fradz can defeat both Phodom and Galeoth with his enourmos damage.Someone used to think that Phodom can defeat both Galeoth and Fradz with his untouchable tanking skill and his mastery over fire.Some used to think Galeoth can nuke the **** out of the others.I do consider Phodom the main(of the 3)character, yet that dosen't make him the strongest.


Wow, people really read that  ;)

I guess that the common sense would really say that the difference between a 4th ranked and a 5th ranked are huge, and I really agree with that.

My point is the deservance, as you saw. I mean, Phodom IS really strong. Who says he is not as strong as a 5th ranked ? Galeoth shows him some respect, and Galeoth is far too proud to really show that to anyone.

@Aero, what had Galeoth really done ? He really slayed Dragons alone and stuff of this kind ? Apart from his high knowledge, he does not seem that strong. Well, he beaten a sper, and that's much...

Prospero (at chapter 4) is a 4th ranked, right ? I think Fradz and Phodom are far and far stronger than him.

But if it's the king (and not some other people) who promotes the Dragon Slayer to a upper rank, than it's understandable.


After : this is not meant to add nothing. It was under general discussion, see ?

Prospero is a 3th ranked.
Galeoth's father died , so , becaming filed with revenge , Galeoth went into a rampage of dragon-killing.I still don't know a lot about him , his comportament.I do know that he is greedy , and can be easily foolished by the aspect , even tough he's wise and full of knowledge.