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Should we replace the word 'morality'?

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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2013, 10:40:36 am »
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In chapter 5, if you kill the Gazas, you can get alot more money and steal Amulet of (something) which can be sold for quite a profit. And you get to kill another miniboss
If you haven't noticed, you can also get an Amulet of Great Life if you do not kill the Kaza Leader too. It's just more... obscure. Oh, and he's also not counted as a miniboss.

Ohhhh I see.. Is it by talking to him and clicking all options? Cant really remember if I did get something out of it....

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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2013, 12:41:57 pm »
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Morality is an objective concept independent of the values or mores held by any particular peoples or cultures. I think the campaign concept is more like how you do conform to morality.

uhm no. you know there also is the word "immorality" which means... the opposite, obviously?

thing is, the word "Morality" itself probably has no value attached to it naturally, but since every person has its own view of it, you can consider the opinion on morality of the majority as the given standard in a certain population.

honestly, i dont see where the word is not fitting. even the wikipedia article you quoted yourself saith the exact same thing as myself.
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2013, 06:02:42 pm »
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Morality is an objective concept independent of the values or mores held by any particular peoples or cultures. I think the campaign concept is more like how you do conform to morality.

uhm no. you know there also is the word "immorality" which means... the opposite, obviously?
But they are not polar opposites. 'Immorality' has more uses.
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thing is, the word "Morality" itself probably has no value attached to it naturally, but since every person has its own view of it, you can consider the opinion on morality of the majority as the given standard in a certain population.
You're right. I'm too. In fact, both of us are. 'Morality' can be both objective and subjective, but since the word is too nuanced, I don't think it should be used, as it can be confusing.
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2013, 08:25:56 pm »
You know, Porquoi, the sufixe "Im" in this situation means exactly the opposite. I voted that it should change and everything, but if you could use Immorality in the game contest(according to what you said), you could use Morality as well. If it's not the case I would like to know why.
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2013, 12:30:55 am »
You know, Porquoi, the sufixe "Im" in this situation means exactly the opposite. I voted that it should change and everything, but if you could use Immorality in the game contest(according to what you said), you could use Morality as well. If it's not the case I would like to know why.
I can say 'You're immoral!', but definitely not 'You're moral.', because it's simply not correct.
Now, extend this to their nominal derivatives. If Aero used 'Immorality' for the TCO concept (as like how immoral you are) and multiplied all the numbers by -1, then it could probably work, but 'Morality' is simply incorrect.
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2013, 01:59:42 am »
I can say 'You're immoral!', but definitely not 'You're moral.', because it's simply not correct.
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2013, 06:20:36 am »
what if i told you you CAN actually say "you are moral" or "that person is very moral"?

WHAT IF I TOLD YOU? and yes, its true, you can say that.

or we could just change the word to "badassness" to please everyone without exceptions.
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2013, 08:45:39 am »
I never saw anyone using 'moral' that way. Yourself not included. Please provide some proof.
Maybe it's a rare usage, but even if it was actually correct, it'd still be too rare to not confuse people.
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2013, 11:31:18 am »
"if you are virtuous, you are moral." This is just some random sentence that i found in the web. In my language, the words are similar and, like you said, no one says "you're moral" or "am I moral?". BUT it's not incorrect, and since the meanings are equal(the only difference is the language itself) it should be correct in english too. Like you say it's just probably too rare, and well, perphaps it could be changed to something better.
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2013, 04:24:54 pm »
ive never seen anyone slay dragons. lets take them out too. lets also take out magic.
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2013, 06:03:56 pm »
ive never seen anyone slay dragons. lets take them out too. lets also take out magic.
Let's imagine you wrote a work of speculative fiction not based on reality. And thus there'd be such things like magic, dragons, FTL travel, etc... Since it's not based on reality, it's fine.
However, if you wrote it in an existing language and you decided to invent a new word (or a new meaning of an existing word) to refer to something already present in reality, then you'd be obviously criticised, as it derails from the original language. Made-up and wrongly-used words have absolutely zero value in works of fiction.
Apply this to the 'morality' word here.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2013, 06:53:57 am by Pourquoi »
Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.

Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.

Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
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Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2013, 04:42:33 pm »
lets give all items english names then. or just replace morality with "nangjibble" and "Luck" with "unipaluma" because why not
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2013, 12:16:04 am »
You didn't notice one thing. Morality is a concept existing in reality. The items in the game don't, so you can call them whatever you want.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 12:17:40 am by Pourquoi »
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The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.

Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.

Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2013, 05:00:05 am »
then when it exists in reality and is exactly that the game tells you it is, why change it?
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Re: Should we replace the word 'morality'?
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2013, 08:07:58 am »
Unfortunately, it isn't.
Or are you confusing morality with ethics? Ethics are subjective and vary from person to person, but morality is static; you cannot change it.
Overall, your arguments are becoming weaker and weaker with each post. But I sympathise with you: it's hard to find good arguments for inherently wrong opinions.
Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.

Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.

Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.

Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
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