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Re: Strategie Debate: Spell builds
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2010, 12:19:52 am »
I think we are starting to get off-topic. Plus, i got a little confused with your answers.
You start assuming things to support your arguments. Not everyone uses the same skill setup as you do. Not everyone uses the same items setup as you do. So how can you make calculations, when you don't know each one's setup? 200hp with 15 secs silence, 500hp+500hp, where did you come up with that? Hello? Why do you use numbers in your answers since the number you refer to is totally irrelevant?

Me:   if you didn't bulk up you just die
You:  Also, using avatar will greatly delay your death, and gives you enough time to regenerate a good about of life.
        Haha, yeah, I was the same way when it first came in. I stuck with AoE dmg, since Phodom is tanker, he doesn't need that AoE.

Ok man you are a pro, you have Avatar to bulk up. So, what you are really trying to say here is to load the campaign from the start and get Avatar, because aoe is crap and Phodom doesn't need it. You don't sound very convincing, do you? After all, tell Aero that all hero skills he made are crap, except the ones that you use.


Me: 5)I don't use avatar, but i think i might just start using it from now on
You:5) That 500 hp you lost, would be gone in 5 secs, leaving a 500 hp cushion for the physical attacks that the boss is going to do.
       
Could you be more specific please? It's all greek to me.


At level 10, Phodom has 1050 hp, not 1125.
Base hp 175? Jesus, where did you come up with that? Or that (7.22), what it is? Or that 1000hp you mentioned, stop arguing about that, you are the one who came up with that number in the first place, do i have to remind you that? 6) Besides, what kind of tanker only has 1000 life? I didn't say i have 1000 hp when i go fight a boss, so stop quoting around that. I just gave you an answer to your question.

Lvl 10 Phodom, no items on, with lvl 2 Heaven's Bless and lvl 2 Fire Mastery = more than 900hp Insta-Heal, and that's a fact, do you want me to send the save so you can see for yourself? Can you (Mofo)beat that with Fire Shield? I guess you can't.

p.s. It's MofoBeaR, not MofoBeaT.
This is a debate on spell builds. So technically can't get off topic.

I don't assume everyone uses the same skills or items I do. I never said that that. Look, Phodom starts out with 20 str, and if you scroll over the main attribute icon, it tells you what you get either each point in each stat. 1 str = 25 health. 20 * 25 is 500. 675 - 500 is 175, that's is his base health. At level 10, WITH OUT ANY ITEMS OR POTIONS, phodom has 38 str, that's 18 more str, that's 450 health 450 + 500 is 950, add the base hp of 175, it comes out to 1125 health. I am NOT basing my calculations on items or abilities. I clearly stat, WITH OUT ITEMS OR ABILITIES, it comes out to X. If I do include an ability or item, I STATE THAT I AM USING THAT. Read better.

No, I'm not saying start over or that I'm a pro, I suck actually. I'm just stating the mathematical side, which points to other sides. You said that Phodom had to bulk up, or he'd die. I stated that WITH avatar, Phodom bulks up, and doesn't die. As for AoE, yeah its great, get it, get avatar, I don't care what you do or how you play. To me, Phodom doesn't need AoE attack, so who cares what I say? You clearly don't, hell, I don't even care about it because I know it means nothing to others that like AoE attack. All the abilities Aero made are good, for their own situation, just like every other freaking spell anyone has made. I'm stating which ones have the most likely, and more common situations to be the spell that excels at.

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5) That 500 hp you lost, would be gone in 5 secs, leaving a 500 hp cushion for the physical attacks that the boss is going to do.
5) Haha, yeah, I was the same way when it first came in. I stuck with AoE dmg, since Phodom is tanker, he doesn't need that AoE.

Ums, I'm not sure exactly, I think that the first 5) was something I forgot to delete (rethink, reword, change statements) XD and I do apologize for that.

Its simple, start the campaign, before leveling up, look at Phodom's stats, and the gain for each stat. Str is 20, hp for each str is 25. Now since I knew the str at lvl 10 is 38, I took (38 - 20)/10 which comes to 1.8 str per level. Going on that, the base health, and the str at level 1, I calculated how many levels Phodom needed to get 1000 health. You said low level tanker, I was giving you the lowest level possible for Phodom to have 1000 health without items, spell buffs, or any other stat modifier.

Heaven's Bless: Heal, (magbonus%+100%)x((abilvlx100)+(intx3)+magbonus)

magbonus% = 0
abilvl = 2
int = 24
magbonus = 272

100%x(200 + 72 + 272)
100%x(544)
100% = 1
1x544 = 544

So unless you have more stats then what Phodom has as a BASE, then yeah, its going to be bigger. Well, base and Fire Mastery.

And sorry, typo. I mean T is next R. Easy to hit it by mistake.
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