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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2012, 06:59:08 am »
Greedy Armor and Golden Idol huh...
i see
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« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2012, 09:58:21 am »
Greedy Armor and Golden Idol huh...
i see
thx

The gold bonus from such items is very useful!

I think so anyway. To be honest I haven't tested the gold income without them vs with them directly, but I seem to get a lot of gold so I'm pretty sure its worth keeping these items.

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« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2012, 11:20:54 am »
Greedy Armor and Golden Idol huh...
i see
thx

The gold bonus from such items is very useful!

I think so anyway. To be honest I haven't tested the gold income without them vs with them directly, but I seem to get a lot of gold so I'm pretty sure its worth keeping these items.

first i didn't see you using Greedy Armor&Golden Idol

before after i saw you play **** without giveup, i try to play **** without giveup too
but i'm so poor and many item i can't buy it
so i just surrender in ch8 =="


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« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2012, 02:01:14 am »
Yeah I used them during chapter 2, chapter 5 and later, always keep them equipped!

I don't know what kind of problems you're having, the main thing is to get every item in every chapter, all the digspots, and sell EVERYTHING you don't need before each chapter ends. Definitely do every epic and elite boss as they drop very valuable items you can use or sell.

In chapter 7 I sold a LOT of stuff and managed to afford Gilmax. Then in Chapter 8 I sold even more and ended up with about 30k I think, with nothing else to buy lol!

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« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2012, 05:55:29 pm »
Hi Hamza, i just finished a **** no giveup playthrough as well. Followed pretty much the same strategy of magic dmg as you after watching your extremely helpful videos. however i planned out which synthesis items i was going to attempt to buy pretty early on and knew i would have to make several compromises on some useful items in order to be able to afford the really good stuff later on.

Hence, i decided to not go for francesca or any of its major components, ditto for soldiers set, magic orbs, night and day, damanthes set, etc. the result was that while the early chapters were slightly harder, the later ones became a little easier. in chapter 8, i was able to synthesize aero, crown of magic, shadow set, tera ring, rune cloak and magma cloak and get a stack of 11 greater magic balls (reduced to 10 for the hunter quest at the end). In retrospect, a 5th zozi synthesis item was easily possible but my choices would have been pretty limited and it could probably not have been anything other then Andenaj III (which i personally find pretty pointless to upgrade to given its exorbitant costs and minimal benefits).

Definitely think you should attempt another play-through with a more optimized item build plan to show what all is possible by the end of the campaign once the next chapters are released (and the *#$%(%*$ ch. 4 epic boss fixed since i can't see a DPS phodom build possible until then) :)

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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2013, 08:32:00 am »
Hi Hamza, i just finished a **** no giveup playthrough as well. Followed pretty much the same strategy of magic dmg as you after watching your extremely helpful videos. however i planned out which synthesis items i was going to attempt to buy pretty early on and knew i would have to make several compromises on some useful items in order to be able to afford the really good stuff later on.

Hence, i decided to not go for francesca or any of its major components, ditto for soldiers set, magic orbs, night and day, damanthes set, etc. the result was that while the early chapters were slightly harder, the later ones became a little easier. in chapter 8, i was able to synthesize aero, crown of magic, shadow set, tera ring, rune cloak and magma cloak and get a stack of 11 greater magic balls (reduced to 10 for the hunter quest at the end). In retrospect, a 5th zozi synthesis item was easily possible but my choices would have been pretty limited and it could probably not have been anything other then Andenaj III (which i personally find pretty pointless to upgrade to given its exorbitant costs and minimal benefits).

Definitely think you should attempt another play-through with a more optimized item build plan to show what all is possible by the end of the campaign once the next chapters are released (and the *#$%(%*$ ch. 4 epic boss fixed since i can't see a DPS phodom build possible until then) :)

Nice one mate! I know this is a late reply but anyhow :)

Yeah in my new no death HC DPS Phodom playthrough that I started I didn't bother with a quite a few items as you mentioned, aiming to get the most powerful late game build possible. As you noticed in this playthrough, I was left with a crazy extra 30k gold or something in chapter 8 that wasn't doing anything. It's definitely worth skipping some items early as a trade off to make the later levels easier.

I don't think skipping Francesca is a good idea though, as it gives something which has an effect throughout the game, which is the permanent stat increases. That's also a reason why Andenaj parts are so good - permanent HP increase. I'm not sure how good the extra 30-50 or so stats will be in the later chapters, but the fact that you get stat gain without wasting an item slot is an advantage that I'd rather not let go of.

The biggest problem I predict with DPS phodom build is when you get to the Healer boss, as I'm sure it's going to be extremely hard to beat him. Magic damage Fradz is really useless, and DPS Phodom is not as strong as DPS Fradz. I have actually got up to halfway through chapter 5 (the Ch4 Epic was a pain, can't believe I beat him lol) with the DPS Phodom build in my new playthrough, but I don't think I will find the time to finish it at the moment. University projects are sapping my strength!

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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2013, 01:29:32 pm »
Hey glad to see your reply! glad to hear you've started another playthrough with a DPS phodom. that should be very interesting to see should you ever finish the game!

I was very impressed to hear you beat the Ch. 4 epic with a DPS phodom! you must upload a video of this since i didn't think it would be possible! Do you know how i beat this stupidly bugged boss? by saving the game everytime i successfully landed 2/3 ground zeros and when every chaotic rift successfully landed! if i missed even one, i reloaded the game. seriously that was the only way i could figure out to beat him. That plus i had to constantly reload whenever he went from the mirror image event to another without any breaks (the rotating energy beam one isn't too bad, it can't instantly kill you if you've leveled up the magic resistance CK, which i had; plus it let me time some ground zeros on him because i started it the moment he was about to do the last (i.e. 10th) beam).

regarding Francesca, well you're right it is a very valuable item, but IMO its opportunity cost is far too high for what it gives. i went about it logically and did some math before i came to my conclusion. for example, the roughly 1k gold you have to spend to complete ruby axe in chapter 1 would have become 2k by chapter 8 (cumulative effect from riddles). the same applies to the other parts. when you calculate how much the gold for all of its parts would amounted to (cumulatively with riddle gold), it becomes by far the most expensive item in the game (the opportunity cost for it was higher then 30k unless i'm mistaken!).

As for Andenaj, i love the item up till the 2nd iteration. the final version (A III) is IMO useless because it doesn't level up its most valuable aspect: the permanent HP increase. Andenaj II and III (according to the tooltip at least) both give an additional 75HP upon level up. Hence, doesn't that make you question why you would spend a zozi and over 7k on a recipe that just gives some bonus hp and stats? for that cost i would have expected A III to at least increase its per-level-additional-HP to 100-125.

The new version offers some interesting changes though. Namely, since one of fradz' starting packs now guarantees that you can't miss on steals, it makes one question whether fradz can now do without thief/shadow set. However i would still probably consider it compulsory since its passive is still the only effective AOE ability Fradz has (his skills with respect to dealing with large numbers of enemies are all pretty useless IMO).

I'll probably take a lot of flak for this, but irrespective of how he's built, i generally consider Fradz to be the most useless of the three heroes. Agility is by far the most useless stat in this game and even fradz' DPS build is honestly nothing compared to magic DPS Galeoth and Phodom, who i rely on to do all the work and damage. There are very few circumstances where i would say Fradz shines and even then its because of the items he has and not his skillset. for example, he's great against the ch. 8 epic with jade set because he can clear those ice blocks really fast. I may change my mind after some more experimentation and once aero has ironed out the major bugs but at the moment, fradz to me is completely ornamental and mostly just there to steal items, then step aside. 

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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2013, 04:50:35 am »
If I remember correctly Andenaj III should give 100 hp/level.
I saw Fradz being very strong in chapter 9 when I had over 80% evasion rate and over 10k health. Then he was a better tank than Phodom.

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« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2013, 05:24:40 am »
If thats true, you might want to update the tooltip then. I never bought it because of it (jack up the magic dmg a little bit too pls :)).

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« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2013, 08:21:10 am »
If I remember correctly Andenaj III should give 100 hp/level.
I saw Fradz being very strong in chapter 9 when I had over 80% evasion rate and over 10k health. Then he was a better tank than Phodom.

Seriously? My Phodom has always been tank, too tank IMO. I gave him all the items that gives % based regeneration and what not, so everytime he is damaged he nearly always regenerate them to full instantly

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« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2013, 10:49:21 am »
But yes Fradz didn't have much armor and regen.

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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2013, 05:28:04 pm »
Sorry I just saw this now, it's been a while!

I'm uploading the elite boss for you DBS, its part of a full chapter 4 video. I'll link it and message you when its done if you still want to see it after all this time lol.

Regarding Francesca losing you 30k gold over the course of the game, I still think the permanent stats it gives makes it worth it for me anyway. Because you can only have so many items in the game (6 per hero), so something like permanent stats or HP is far more valuable than anything that can take up an item slot. In the latter chapters you end up with full 6 slots too easily anyway, I didn't really find lack of gold a problem.

Of course this may have changed with the new campaign versions, I haven't played in a while!

Hamza


EDIT: chapter 4 full chapter with DPS phodom: http://youtu.be/sUJdydBaiEQ
« Last Edit: April 28, 2013, 06:04:52 pm by hamza_tm »

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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2013, 06:55:08 am »
Hi will u make videos of chapter 9 + to someday ?? i find chapter 9 epic boss Yurgimar impossible to kill :D he just regens to fast ...

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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2013, 03:54:12 pm »
For sure it is possible, you just doing it in the STRAIGHT way - always attack.
All you have to do - is to destroy his mana (it is hard, but not impossible), some items and hero spells may destroy mana quiet fast. During his summonings of your heroes illusions - you have to just move back and don't attack illusions - because if you kill for example Phodom's illusion - your Phodom would instantly die.
If The Boss has some mana - it is impossible to kill him - fast regen. So 1st stage - kill mana - next stage just kill him with direct attacks.
Good luck!
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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2014, 05:06:08 am »
Hi ! Thanks a lot for this complete Walkthrough :)
I noticed that video 003_Ch_1 has been deleted by You Tube, could you please upload it again ?