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How can I improve this spell?
« on: July 20, 2012, 07:46:46 pm »
I am currently doing this ability because Aero requested me to create a new Ice Spell 2 (Spell Book spell) but I'm currently out of ideas on how to improve this ability further and therefore I need your help. The test map has been attached to this post.


Ice Wall

Conjures up an impassable Ice Wall at the target location. The bone-chilling cold of the wall heavily slows enemies around it. After X seconds the wall will explode creating multiple frost explosions that damage nearby enemy units for Y damage.

  • UPGRADE #1: FREEZING BLAST: Add a freezing effect to the frost explosions that freezes nearby enemies for Z seconds.
  • UPGRADE #2: SHATTERING FROST: Add an instant-kill effect to the frost explosions that shatter nearby enemies (excluding bosses) with hit points less than 40% max HP.



« Last Edit: July 21, 2012, 01:13:09 am by Doomlord »

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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2012, 07:08:42 pm »
I just finished creating a twisted version of the spell. Now we have here an X-shaped wall that grows rapidly rather than appearing instantly.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2012, 07:12:29 am by Doomlord »

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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2012, 05:08:58 pm »
Hey, nice spell there, but i think it's different from a wall...i mean, a X shaped thing that slows enemies and does damage, it sounds more like a trap to me. Enemies can't go through it, so it's a wall...i don't think so.

Oh another thing, according to myself, attacks shouldn't be possible if there's a wall in the middle of the "attackers". I'm poiting this out cause i could attack a enemie through the wall(melee attack).
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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 01:56:09 am »
Oh another thing, according to myself, attacks shouldn't be possible if there's a wall in the middle of the "attackers". I'm poiting this out cause i could attack a enemie through the wall(melee attack).
Can you provide a screenshot? I can't recreate the bug during testing.

So here is a new version of the spell with better eye candy and spell upgrades. You can purchase upgrades and see them in action!
« Last Edit: July 24, 2012, 02:36:05 am by Doomlord »

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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2012, 03:34:44 pm »
Well... I don't see why this couldn't be used, but seriously:

A wall is a wall.

A wall explodes? Under certain conditions, makes some sense. A wall explodes because it's the most important factor it has? Ok, that's logical...

Perhaps it's just the name that is wrong; Ice Wave or something similar would still fit with both the effect and the model. But if the name "Ice Wall" is a necessity... Well, there are other options for a game to be unique other than its content being illusional compared to the others.

There's also the known bug that if you create a new "wall" (ha ha), the previous wall won't time its exploding right. Of course, with a cooldown to the spell it's fixed, so no issues on the technical side. Now just to convince why a meat shield shouldn't be a meat shield.

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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2012, 07:49:14 pm »
A wall is a wall.

A wall explodes? Under certain conditions, makes some sense. A wall explodes because it's the most important factor it has? Ok, that's logical...

Perhaps it's just the name that is wrong; Ice Wave or something similar would still fit with both the effect and the model. But if the name "Ice Wall" is a necessity... Well, there are other options for a game to be unique other than its content being illusional compared to the others.

I agree...

Now just to convince why a meat shield shouldn't be a meat shield.

Eh...? :P

Oh yeah, Doom i tried out the bug again but it hasn't happened, i'll try again another time.
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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2012, 08:41:27 am »
So we made some changes with Doomlord and we're quiet happy. Doomlord will later show us things we changed.

The name could be changed. Any ideas, guys?

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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2012, 01:33:37 pm »
So we made some changes with Doomlord and we're quiet happy. Doomlord will later show us things we changed.

Please let a wall be a wall, please let a wall be a wall...

The name could be changed. Any ideas, guys?

Ice Wave
Glacial Surge
Commotive Shiver
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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2012, 05:56:35 pm »
So we made some changes with Doomlord and we're quiet happy. Doomlord will later show us things we changed.

The name could be changed. Any ideas, guys?
Please let a wall be a wall, please let a wall be a wall...
Okay here is the changed spell. And sorry Flecky but it is still not a true wall  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

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GLACIAL SURGE

Summons a surge of Glacial Energy at the target location that rapidly expands in an X-shaped formation, creating impassable blocks of solid ice. During its growth units unfortunate enough to be on the path will be frozen for 3 seconds. After 5 seconds the wall containing the frost energy will explode creating multiple explosions that damage nearby enemies units for 100 damage. If any of the wall's branch encounter unpathable terrain while growing, it will stop.

  • UPGRADE #1: CHILLING BLAST: Damage is increased by 50% and slows enemies by 50% for 5 seconds afterwards.
  • UPGRADE #2: GREATER ICE WALL: The wall stays 5 second longer and slows nearby enemies by 50% during its duration.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2012, 05:59:26 pm by Doomlord »

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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2012, 01:34:17 pm »
GLACIAL SURGE

If any of the wall's branch encounter unpathable terrain while growing, it will stop.

Definitely Aero's part right over there.

With the name changed, it fits more better now. Still, a (real) wall spell would be kudos to you.

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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2012, 08:39:03 am »
It's a wall because of the metaphor "a wall of ice" stop these complaints that it needs to be a physical wall to be called a wall!

Nice spell, I like how the abilities are going in new and interesting directions.

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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2012, 08:55:49 am »
Metaphor? Well, it IS solid in a way, but the problem is that it doesn't look like a wall.
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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2012, 10:05:20 am »
No, the problem with the ice wall was that it didn't WORK like a wall. A wall is supposed to control crowd, it's like creating a healing spell that actually damages the target.

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Re: How can I improve this spell?
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2012, 05:28:00 pm »
The name of the spell is Glacial Surge now. Why would you guys want to argue about an old spell name?